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Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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>is pretty wild How is it wild? On social media I kept seeing things like people falsely expecting the end goal would require manually reading through a million lines of code. It seemed more like people making up reasons to be mad or trying to dunk on the author.

LLMs generate lots of security issues and bugs. Just being "Rust" doesn't automatically fix that. Generating that amount of code means no human review. How could this not end in obvious disaster?

humans generate a lot more security issues and a lot more bugs, how could humans coding not end in obvious disaster…

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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This whole thing is hilarious. In a time when some of Satya Nadella's chickens are coming home to roost and Windows being the most obvious example and most of their AI things quickly approaching too, it's good to laugh at their stupidity as a consolation prize. In the past Microsoft fucked up some many times but they had the absolute dominance of the market and a huge pool of talent and knowledgeable people capable o…

Xbox was poised to be an earthquake to the video game industry but they squandered with the execution. Hence the layoffs to quell the market.

The rest of Microsoft might go the same way. I guess now I know what it felt like looking at IBM in 1989.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Good question, it’s not. You're responding to just another Rust and/or LLM fanatic claiming they can predict the future. Dime a dozen on this board.

Hey let’s not put the Rust fanatics in the same bucket as the LLM bros. One is a safe programming language, the other is an overgrown lorem ipsum text generator. We’re not the same :)

The fact that you’re both getting lumped in the same shill bucket together should give you pause.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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I don’t understand this view point. How is anyone reading ‘way too much’ into the post based on what’s being discussed in this thread. A senior engineer leading a team at Microsoft saying that his goal is to rewrite/replace all C and C++ code with Rust using AI to facilitate the work is plainly saying what the comments in this thread are reacting to. No onenis reading into the statement, just plain reading. And even…

Microsoft has thousands of senior engineers and one of them engaging in this project and perhaps hiring a small handful of people does not equate to a large company-wide planned mandate.

That is true, there is a lot of emphasis being placed on his post as though it were the embodiment of Microsoft’s goals and policies going forward. I was a little surprised that he is just a lead on a research team from the bombastic tone of the post.

I’ll own up to not considering that when I wrote my comment, still think discussing Microsoft’s seemingly head first dive into massive AI generation of code is entertaining, even if it is not really as important (or important at all) as it would be if this was a post from the CEO.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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My read was rewriting one million lines of code per engineer month using ML to do the heavy lifting. Which is absolutely batshit. There's no way that can be reviewed properly, even if it's putting all of the review work on all of the other teams.

You’re right about the impossibility of reviewing for style, clarity, and coherence. For correctness though, Windows is famous for being insistent on backwards compatibility over timespans measured in decades and that must surely be automated to the hilt. As a third-party developer in the late 2000s I remember my boss giving me a CDROM binder (binders?) of every single OS release that Microsoft had ever put out. I as…

> For correctness though, Windows is famous for being insistent on backwards compatibility over timespans measured in decades and that must surely be automated to the hilt.

That hasn't been nearly the same goal for decades now.

For instance, Crysis literally won't run on win10 or later anymore.

On top of that, security bugs aren't the kind of thing you can automate away during a rewrite that no one has the bandwidth to actually review.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Rewriting Microsoft's 10s if not 100s of millions of lines of native code in four years doesn't sound that wild to you?

No? They will harness the power of AGI agents to rewrite everything in Rust. Sounds good to me.

One of the least fun things about a hype bubble is that I legitimately can't tell when people are joking anymore.

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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Hey let’s not put the Rust fanatics in the same bucket as the LLM bros. One is a safe programming language, the other is an overgrown lorem ipsum text generator. We’re not the same :)

The fact that you’re both getting lumped in the same shill bucket together should give you pause.

Yes, I paused to comment and moved on

Re: Microsoft denies rewriting Windows 11 in Rust using AI

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As a goal for 2030, it doesn’t seem that wild. Shoot for the moon

Rewriting Microsoft's 10s if not 100s of millions of lines of native code in four years doesn't sound that wild to you?

“Make no mistakes” and it’s a few days of work…
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