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Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #68

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Nice wall of text, which part of that says painters jobs were killed? Or did you just read the title of the second article and not realize it’s not being literal but capturing the anxiety of the painters in the 19th century?

I think the first article which is highly recommended (where the excerpt comes from) goes over subsequent effects on the profession. The second one goes over the different genres that disappeared, and concerns less with the artists themselves Apart from that our interaction seem overly emotional for me so I'd leave it as that

So nothing about killing the profession, got it, so we were just vibing.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #44

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It is actually a good thing to invest in blowing up fascists, especially in the context of an ongoing land invasion.

If the fascists don't blow up the anti-fascists first. An eye for an eye, leaves us all blind.

Yes, of course, because as we all know:

1. Appeasement was a big success.

2. Fascists are known for having balanced personalities that at some point have enough and don't want more.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #53
post #48

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> It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences It's very obvious that it's polluting and/or killing everything it touched so far though

it's an automatic bullshit machine so essentially it creates cliches as an automatic process this doesn't mean this can't be controlled by someone talented

We should give everyone live grenades, someone talented might do something cool, maybe, eventually, who knows right ?

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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They're all for the rules, now. How many people remember how Spotify... uhhh... "seeded" its music database at the start? (There's a hint in my question.)

also: "Musicians might note that 87% of tracks will now receive the same payment from Anna’s Archive as they do from Spotify: zero." https://dadadrummer.substack.com/p/anti-copyright-extremists

I really despise Spotify's payout algorithm too, since you mention it.

For the longest time I was a big Tidal fan. Still am. But I feel their financials show writing on the wall for their future. But one of the reasons for that appreciation on my part was that they 1) paid a lot more, per stream, to artists (sometimes, 8-10x more than Spotify's nominal purported royalties), and 2) they didn't have an algorithm for payout that heavily favored the 800lb artists in the room over the smaller, struggling acts.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

#76

Convenience won. How many people are actually going to download a torrent client, navigate through some massive torrent file collection to check the files of the artists they want to download so they can upload mp3s to their phone over a USB cable like it's 2004 again, just so they can avoid paying Spotify?

A sufficiently seeded torrent is a high latency static CDN. You just need a client that can make use of it. I'm not sure if anyone will be interested in making one however, you can already get a patched Spotify APK from the usual mobile piracy spaces that's good enough.

Now that's a cool idea.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #3

I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Anna's Archive does not compete with Spotify in any way.

Anna's archive offers to share their data for AI training (in exchange for donations), so that's certainly something the record labels want control of. https://annas-archive.org/llm

It's also probably something the artists themselves was control of as well

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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I wish Spotify welcomed or collaborated with these archival initiatives. Anna's Archive does not compete with Spotify in any way.

I don't know whether Spotify could agree to provide its entire library of music to an archive for Torrenting by anyone.

Its not just about Spotify, but the record labels and the artists themselves.

For a community that usually wants to allow artists control over their music, or better yet people control over their own information in general. It surprises me that people are now okay with music being scraped and freely put online.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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post #66

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Maybe I was too hyperbolic, but when I read the original Anna's Archive announcement post, I appreciated their dedication to archiving content that may be lost one day. They called the effort "Backing up Spotify" and emphasized the good that opening the data could do. It's not about enabling piracy. Following Anna's logic, I was calling on Spotify to stop "investigating" archivists. Spotify could instead be engaging…

I was looking for a song recently and can't find it. The artist was banned from YouTube and looks like they took their album off Spotify. An archive like this is good for preserving stuff from smaller artists like that

It is, should the artist agree to have their music put online for you to access for free

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

#80

Convenience won. How many people are actually going to download a torrent client, navigate through some massive torrent file collection to check the files of the artists they want to download so they can upload mp3s to their phone over a USB cable like it's 2004 again, just so they can avoid paying Spotify?

> upload mp3s to their phone over a USB cable

The more interesting part is how this is your mental model of actually "physically" owning music.

The amount of messaging that will be needed to explain how home servers are convenient is pretty crazy.

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