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Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Post by tene80i »

nemomarx wrote: post #14
tene80i wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even in the “providing a way to get music” way?

A big database that contains every song is pretty different from a recommendation system, web streaming, playlists, etc. Someone could use the dump to create something like that ofc, but the database itself isn't really the interesting thing Spotify offers.

True, but feature parity isn’t required for competition. Plenty of subscribers will just be listening to what they know they want to listen to, and for them a giant DB of music is absolutely sufficient.

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Post by breppp »

freejazz wrote: post #46
breppp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

>Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion Have you been to a contemporary art museum?

It killed realist art and it greatly reduced the "market" of available paintings, which back then was really a market, art was usually commissioned for the same reasons you take a photograph today

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Post by breppp »

lm28469 wrote: post #48
breppp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences (for lack of non-marketing speak for self curated music)

> It's not obvious that LLM generation won't create more interesting music experiences It's very obvious that it's polluting and/or killing everything it touched so far though

it's an automatic bullshit machine so essentially it creates cliches as an automatic process

this doesn't mean this can't be controlled by someone talented

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Post by bopbopbop7 »

breppp wrote: post #43
_fzslm wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably, the camera evolved painting because it expanded the idea of what it could be – that it could be more than the illustration of/"illusion" of reality. I think and have always thought the exact same thing will happen with generative AI.

Yes, which was the point I was trying to convey. However it did also kill the profession of painters (the craft in art vs craft). Which might unfortunately happen to the more commercial side of music

Do you have any evidence of all these "killings" of the profession or are you just vibing?

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Post by freejazz »

breppp wrote: post #52
freejazz wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Depends, the camera killed painting and is a positive for art in my opinion Have you been to a contemporary art museum?

It killed realist art and it greatly reduced the "market" of available paintings, which back then was really a market, art was usually commissioned for the same reasons you take a photograph today

You could have just said "no" or maybe admitted that "killing" painting was overblown, or maybe that it was not an accurate descriptor at all if you're argument is that it just "changed" painting.

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Post by breppp »

bopbopbop7 wrote: post #54
breppp wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, which was the point I was trying to convey. However it did also kill the profession of painters (the craft in art vs craft). Which might unfortunately happen to the more commercial side of music

Do you have any evidence of all these "killings" of the profession or are you just vibing?

Photography had particularly dramatic effects on the livelihoods of painters who operated on the fringe of the mainstream. This included the portrait miniaturists, whose markets fell drastically, particularly after the introduction of the multi-pose and cheap cartes de visite in the mid-1850s. Many gave up, while others turned to colouring photos [25]. Some painters of sentimental genre scenes were also particularly affected, as a result of the profusion of readily available photographic genre works, often composed in a painterly or "pictorial" style [26]. This was sometimes due not to the public’s preference for the photographic version, but simply because a particular subject matter lost its appeal to painters and their clients once photography entered the scene [27]. In addition, the introduction of “half-tone” photography in the 1880s also initiated a slow decline in the market for newspaper and magazine illustrators [28].

Much more here: https://www.artinsociety.com/pt-1-initial-impacts.html

https://www.barnesfoundation.org/whats-on/early-photography

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Post by breppp »

freejazz wrote: post #55
breppp wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It killed realist art and it greatly reduced the "market" of available paintings, which back then was really a market, art was usually commissioned for the same reasons you take a photograph today

You could have just said "no" or maybe admitted that "killing" painting was overblown, or maybe that it was not an accurate descriptor at all if you're argument is that it just "changed" painting.

I don't do semantics arguments because they don't help anyone learn anything

It largely killed an industry which was everywhere, sure there are still paintings and it's a primer art form. The number of paintings commissioned and number of painters fell drastically since the 19th century to the point I am willing to guess you have never had your portrait taken, something that was common place in the equivalent pay grades of today tech workers. Regarding the art form it is also arguably less important in people's life then it used to be (while museums still exist), However most music today is still mostly a profession rather than pure art for the sake of art

We can continue discussing whether the word kill is a metaphor or must be used only for a zero or one situation but I don't think that's interesting enough compared to the actual topic

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Post by halJordan »

int32_64 wrote: post #13

Convenience won. How many people are actually going to download a torrent client, navigate through some massive torrent file collection to check the files of the artists they want to download so they can upload mp3s to their phone over a USB cable like it's 2004 again, just so they can avoid paying Spotify?

That's unnecessarily worst case. No one is seriously using a usb cable to upload mp3s. There are plenty of paid and free spotify clones anyone can throw up.

Re: Spotify reportedly investigating Anna's Archive's scraping of their library

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Post by bopbopbop7 »

breppp wrote: post #56
bopbopbop7 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have any evidence of all these "killings" of the profession or are you just vibing?

Photography had particularly dramatic effects on the livelihoods of painters who operated on the fringe of the mainstream. This included the portrait miniaturists, whose markets fell drastically, particularly after the introduction of the multi-pose and cheap cartes de visite in the mid-1850s. Many gave up, while others turned to colouring photos [25]. Some painters of sentimental genre scenes were also particularly…

Nice wall of text, which part of that says painters jobs were killed?

Or did you just read the title of the second article and not realize it’s not being literal but capturing the anxiety of the painters in the 19th century?

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