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Has Apple Peaked?

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Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by SpikeDad »

mycodebreaks wrote: post #16
steve8918 wrote: post #11

I'm neither an Apple fanboy nor a hater. I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. (I am, however, an Apple Maps hater after using it for a few days.) The annoying thing about articles like this is that it's basically the professional journalist's version of trolling... making an outrageous statement in order to garner attention/clicks. He can come in and shit all over Apple, and suffer no consequences if…

One thing he correctly points out is how much better Apple Maps would have been if Mr. Jobs were around. Apple Maps is too big of a blunder for Apple to contain its criticism.

Garbage statement - both you and the NY Times article. Speculation from a position of ZERO information is stupid and transparently so.

No one know why Apple rolled their own Maps and no one could possible know how different it would be if Steve was still alive.

The only think I really know is that Apple is smarter than you or the NY Times.

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Post by berkut »

bigtones wrote: post #39
xxcode wrote: post #27

Apple will never be able to match Google in Maps. Here's why: Apple does not have any technical depth. I am a former Apple employee. Apple can't do technically hard problems that require a multi-person effort. Yes, Apple can and has done good Hardware. But hardware is not technically hard - its an art. Apple is good at Art. Google is good at science.

Wow - did you work at the Apple Store, because that comment is very short sighted. In terms of technical problems that require multi-person effort, OSX is a testament to that, as is Motion, Logic Pro and Compressor. All those are highly technical pieces of software that lead their respective markets. To say Apple can't "do" technically hard problems is extremely short sighted.

lol!

Motion's a joke - to say it leads its respective market is ridiculous - After Effects leads the motion graphics segment, and Nuke leads the compositing segment.

The only highly technical app Apple has had that lead the market was Shake, and they completely fucked that one up (due to their secrecy and not telling their customers plans for future releases) and ended up killing the product after the majority of the Nothing Real team left and all their high-end customers had moved to Nuke.

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Post by ajross »

logn wrote: post #19

Fortunately, Steve Jobs had the idea for Apple TV (a real TV not the little box) that could give Apple another runaway success. With their designer Ive's and the UI designers still around, I see no reason why Apple TV won't propel Apple for many years to come.

"Apple TV" is a 5.5 year old product, currently in its third generation. If this was something that could be won by an "idea" then it would have succeeded by now. The current product looks good, basically "almost as nice as cable for less money" for most users. But I wouldn't pin any long term hopes on a set top box.

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Post by pooriaazimi »

unabridged wrote: post #68
steve8918 wrote: post #11

I'm neither an Apple fanboy nor a hater. I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. (I am, however, an Apple Maps hater after using it for a few days.) The annoying thing about articles like this is that it's basically the professional journalist's version of trolling... making an outrageous statement in order to garner attention/clicks. He can come in and shit all over Apple, and suffer no consequences if…

>I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. Can I ask you why? The galaxy 3 is the same price and very comparable. Plus you can just drag files back and forth with your computer without syncing.

You can do the same thing with an iPhone 3G and iOS 4, let alone iPhone 5 and iOS 6!

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Post by rphlx »

logn wrote: post #19

Fortunately, Steve Jobs had the idea for Apple TV (a real TV not the little box) that could give Apple another runaway success. With their designer Ive's and the UI designers still around, I see no reason why Apple TV won't propel Apple for many years to come.

TV is fading. Yes, Baby Boomers still watch it. But those under 30 mostly watch video on phones, computers, tablets now.

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Post by pooriaazimi »

pav3l wrote: post #8
mattparcher wrote: post #2

For the unfamiliar, Betteridge’s Law of Headlines[1]: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word 'no'" [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridges_Law_of_Headlines

The unfamiliar ? This article is referenced on HN at least once a week now

I knew about the law, but I didn't know its name!

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by pooriaazimi »

zaidf wrote: post #52
bas wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also live in Manhattan. The new Maps app integrates pretty well with Embark NYC (free), and possibly other transit apps that repackage the MTA's info. Embark's website: http://letsembark.com/ App Store link: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app//id450991137?mt=8

I'll give it a shot but from a user's perspective, I took for granted the ease with which I could find directions from one app using various modes(walk/drive/public transport). Changing a basic habit for no good reason is hard--if anyone, Apple should know.

You still use one app (Maps.app), and it gives you directions inside the app when you use drive/walk mode, but it takes you to the 3rd party app when you select public transport. So you don't have to open this app ever. (Just wanted to clear that put in case you didn't know)

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Post by [deleted] »

jarcoal wrote: post #31

They probably have, but that doesn't mean they don't have a lot of great contributions ahead. The last decade at Apple has been a once-in-a-century run; we might all die before seeing another company pull something like that off again.

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Post by batista »

Ntrails wrote: post #45
batista wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. They have made the EXACT same arguments since after the iPod. The Zune was to kill it, cheap alternatives were going to kill it. Didn't…

Numbers can be manipulated as easily as opinions. Note the recurring statistic in which Apple's (continuously dropping) market share is compared to that of 15 handset manufacturers who run Android as though that is a reasonable comparison.

>Numbers can be manipulated as easily as opinions.

Not Quarterly results and SEC fillings.

>Note the recurring statistic in which Apple's (continuously dropping) market share is compared to that of 15 handset manufacturers who run Android as though that is a reasonable comparison.

"Continuously dropping"? They sell more units with each new device up to now (and the 5's preorders see that trend continuing). So, if their "market share" also drops, then that just means the market is expanding at a faster rate.

>Note the recurring statistic in which Apple's (continuously dropping) market share is compared to that of 15 handset manufacturers who run Android as though that is a reasonable comparison.

In what way is it not?

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Post by pmb »

zaidf wrote: post #20

If I live in Manhattan and extensively use Maps for public transport info, is it true that feature no longer exists? If so, I'm going to wait before upgrading to iOS 6. Widespread blunder like this does so much to hurt the Apple brand especially in light of an ambitious competitor like Samsung. Apple should realize that even its biggest fan boys will begin rethinking if you cripple basic parts of their product repeat…

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