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Has Apple Peaked?

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Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by bergie »

georgemcbay wrote: post #55
batista wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. They have made the EXACT same arguments since after the iPod. The Zune was to kill it, cheap alternatives were going to kill it. Didn't…

What you're saying is true and yet at some level the current iPod/iPhone/iPad basically are all the same thing just with or without a cellular radio and/or with a different sized screen. Other than making AppleTV more than a "hobby", it is difficult to see what other "big" permutations of this theme are available for Apple to exploit (this would have been true with or without Jobs). Meanwhile we have tablet/laptop hy…

Arguably, it is Asus that has been taking the lead on tablet-laptop hybrids with their Transformer series. And even further with the PadFone...

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by dasil003 »

mycodebreaks wrote: post #16
steve8918 wrote: post #11

I'm neither an Apple fanboy nor a hater. I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. (I am, however, an Apple Maps hater after using it for a few days.) The annoying thing about articles like this is that it's basically the professional journalist's version of trolling... making an outrageous statement in order to garner attention/clicks. He can come in and shit all over Apple, and suffer no consequences if…

One thing he correctly points out is how much better Apple Maps would have been if Mr. Jobs were around. Apple Maps is too big of a blunder for Apple to contain its criticism.

Is it a blunder or was their hand forced? We can't know.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by dhughes »

anonymouz wrote: post #26
steve8918 wrote: post #11

I'm neither an Apple fanboy nor a hater. I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. (I am, however, an Apple Maps hater after using it for a few days.) The annoying thing about articles like this is that it's basically the professional journalist's version of trolling... making an outrageous statement in order to garner attention/clicks. He can come in and shit all over Apple, and suffer no consequences if…

While the headline is inflammatory, the article itself is not so bad. He makes some valid observation about how the market and Apple's position in it have changed, making it harder for them to be the new and innovative player as they have more and more to lose by taking risky moves. In general however I agree with your sentiment.

>While the headline is inflammatory

In what way? It's three words "Has Apple peaked?".

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by georgemcbay »

bergie wrote: post #61
georgemcbay wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're saying is true and yet at some level the current iPod/iPhone/iPad basically are all the same thing just with or without a cellular radio and/or with a different sized screen. Other than making AppleTV more than a "hobby", it is difficult to see what other "big" permutations of this theme are available for Apple to exploit (this would have been true with or without Jobs). Meanwhile we have tablet/laptop hy…

Arguably, it is Asus that has been taking the lead on tablet-laptop hybrids with their Transformer series. And even further with the PadFone...

Good point, I should have mentioned Asus. I own and love an original Transformer (TF101), but I still believe it is Microsoft who is likely to push the concept into the mainstream.

Having control of the OS gives Microsoft a lot of power Asus doesn't have with their Android hybrids. Also, as cool as the Transformer is, it still doesn't feel quite like a true hybrid device because ultimately you're still running mostly software that was designed with touch-only in mind, at least assuming you're using it to run Android and haven't installed Ubuntu/ARM or something.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by 5xz41s0P8T5N »

maayank wrote: post #30
pav3l wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The unfamiliar ? This article is referenced on HN at least once a week now

And for a good reason. I find the noise to signal ratio of these articles relatively high and I think many would like to see less of them.

Will HN ever stop upvoting linkbait, references to Betteridge’s Law, or self-referential jokes?

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by CaptainZapp »

steve8918 wrote: post #11

I'm neither an Apple fanboy nor a hater. I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. (I am, however, an Apple Maps hater after using it for a few days.) The annoying thing about articles like this is that it's basically the professional journalist's version of trolling... making an outrageous statement in order to garner attention/clicks. He can come in and shit all over Apple, and suffer no consequences if…

Now that (shorting the stock) from a journalist covering the subject. Or, for that matter, investing in stock of a company that you cover as a journalist is just about the worst journalistic blunder you can pull off.

It may also be borderline criminal.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by dasil003 »

xxcode wrote: post #27

Apple will never be able to match Google in Maps. Here's why: Apple does not have any technical depth. I am a former Apple employee. Apple can't do technically hard problems that require a multi-person effort. Yes, Apple can and has done good Hardware. But hardware is not technically hard - its an art. Apple is good at Art. Google is good at science.

To the contrary, Apple can deal fine with technical problems. Doing good hardware + software is extremely technical. You can't build an entire platform like iOS + OS X without massive technical expertise.

The problem with maps is its irregularity and irreducible complexity. You can't reduce maps to their essence and create a great MVP—if you want Google-caliber maps you need tens of thousands of people on the ground and the bureaucracy to support them. Apple can get there (Apple Stores), but it's not an overnight thing.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by unabridged »

steve8918 wrote: post #11

I'm neither an Apple fanboy nor a hater. I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC. (I am, however, an Apple Maps hater after using it for a few days.) The annoying thing about articles like this is that it's basically the professional journalist's version of trolling... making an outrageous statement in order to garner attention/clicks. He can come in and shit all over Apple, and suffer no consequences if…

>I have an iPhone5, but I use a Windows 7 desktop PC.

Can I ask you why? The galaxy 3 is the same price and very comparable. Plus you can just drag files back and forth with your computer without syncing.

Re: Has Apple Peaked?

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Post by dasil003 »

When a company has had the run of success that Apple has, there is almost nowhere else to go but down. This article is just capitalizing on the statistical probability that Apple has no way of creating another breakaway product that would catapult them into a hitherto unknown league of corporate success.
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