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Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by paulcole »

ineedaj0b wrote: post #19
dqv wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mark Warner has gotten $343,211 from AIPAC. He cares about placating Israel, not protecting our data. If you can find a politician who says this but doesn't take money from AIPAC, I might be a little more convinced.

I care about animals but eat meat. We are fun beings with many idiosyncrasies.

One person's "idiosyncrasies" are another person's hypocrisies and biases.

And that's what this TikTok bill feels like to me. The fact that it's called the TikTok bill should be embarrassing to every politician involved.

Just be honest and call it The We-Don't-Like-China-Except-For-The-Times-We-Do Bill.

I don't live in an important state and if Biden signs this thing I'll probably just abstain during the November elections.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by elfbargpt »

labrador wrote: post #17
dqv wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mark Warner has gotten $343,211 from AIPAC. He cares about placating Israel, not protecting our data. If you can find a politician who says this but doesn't take money from AIPAC, I might be a little more convinced.

Maybe they have evidence that much of the pro-Palestian content on TikTok is stoked by Chinese bot accounts

I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by labrador »

elfbargpt wrote: post #72
labrador wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they have evidence that much of the pro-Palestian content on TikTok is stoked by Chinese bot accounts

I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by tantalor »

freeone3000 wrote: post #60
labrador wrote: post #4

> “In the context of social media platforms used by nearly half of Americans, it’s not hard to imagine how a platform that facilitates so much commerce, political discourse, and social debate could be covertly manipulated to serve the goals of an authoritarian regime, one with a long track record of censorship, transnational repression, and promotion of disinformation.” Mark Warner (D-VA), Senate Intelligence Committ…

If America truly wanted to protect the data of Americans, shouldn’t they instead have passed a law granting that data some protection?

Lawmakers unveil sprawling plan to expand online privacy protections

After years of contentious debate, the bipartisan measure marks a significant step toward passing a landmark federal privacy law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/04/07/congres...

Bit of discussion (on CNN article) here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39980232

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by Izkata »

paulcole wrote: post #71
ineedaj0b wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I care about animals but eat meat. We are fun beings with many idiosyncrasies.

One person's "idiosyncrasies" are another person's hypocrisies and biases. And that's what this TikTok bill feels like to me. The fact that it's called the TikTok bill should be embarrassing to every politician involved. Just be honest and call it The We-Don't-Like-China-Except-For-The-Times-We-Do Bill. I don't live in an important state and if Biden signs this thing I'll probably just abstain during the November ele…

> The fact that it's called the TikTok bill should be embarrassing to every politician involved.

The official name is "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act".

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by paulcole »

Izkata wrote: post #75
paulcole wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One person's "idiosyncrasies" are another person's hypocrisies and biases. And that's what this TikTok bill feels like to me. The fact that it's called the TikTok bill should be embarrassing to every politician involved. Just be honest and call it The We-Don't-Like-China-Except-For-The-Times-We-Do Bill. I don't live in an important state and if Biden signs this thing I'll probably just abstain during the November ele…

> The fact that it's called the TikTok bill should be embarrassing to every politician involved. The official name is "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act".

It's hard to tell whether you're being intentionally obtuse or are just naturally pedantic, but look at the headline in every news article (including this one on HN).

No reasonable person in the US knows this as anything but The TikTok Bill.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by knodi123 »

lmm wrote: post #53
knodi123 wrote: post #32

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> There are several domestic entities (governmental and non) that I would consider much bigger threats to me We can address multiple threats at once, and are not compelled to address them in priority order. Any improvement is good. > if you're not willing to let people read/watch widely and make up their own minds This seems a very weak argument. Of course nobody wants to make it illegal to see propaganda. But if you…

> We can address multiple threats at once, and are not compelled to address them in priority order. Any improvement is good. Not necessarily. A balance of power can be better for us regular folks at the bottom. Frankly I feel safer in a world where there's at least some non-US social media than a world where people who run the US run everything and no-one can call them out. > Of course nobody wants to make it illegal…

> at least some non-US social media

That's not the issue, and it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

It's not the non-US source, it's the governmental control for specific purposes

> Then what exactly is this bill aiming for?

Not making it illegal to see- just not making it easy for china to do covertly on a broad scale.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by nullindividual »

labrador wrote: post #73
elfbargpt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

If wanting better conditions in the US is something Gen-Z wants, that does not make them anti-American. Criticism of our government and corporations is one of the most pro-American action one can be.

They want an America that is humane and cares for its citizens. Good for them. Anything less makes for a subhuman individual.

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by nullindividual »

greenavocado wrote: post #24
0x6c6f6c wrote: post #3

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How does this even make sense? This bill would be perfectly happy selling TikTok to Meta even, it's not killing social media it's just telling China to GTFO.

The actual purpose of this sale is for the intelligence services to stop the illumination of hypocrisy and crimes of the ruling elite.

How do you come to that conclusion? I can rant and rave here about the shit and aberrant government and if I had an account, reddit, FB, etc without repercussions. We can call out GW Bush for committing warcrimes and killing 100k+ Iraqis. Or Obama for drone strikes on Afghan civilians. Or Trump for existing. Or Biden for killing Afghan civilians on the final day, the day we pulled out of that complete shitshow.

Criticism of the US Govt is a favorite pastime, from anti-Capitalist humanist socialists like myself to the far right white supremacists.

I’m sure now that I’ve said that, the FBI and DIA will be making a visit, right?

Re: Senate passes TikTok ban bill, sending it to President Biden's desk

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Post by hatenberg »

labrador wrote: post #73
elfbargpt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we'll find out. I'll be waiting with bated breath for the collapse in Palestinian support once ByteDance no longer runs TikTok.

It'd be nice if Gen Z became less anti-American. America deserved it in the Vietnam war. Now, not so much.

You forgot Iraq?
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