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Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by math-dev »

Kiro wrote: post #28
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

What was the full sentence? I've marketed a lot of games on Facebook with much worse words (kill etc) and never had a problem. Also, kept money how? Facebook charges you in arrears.

Unfortunately on the internet the onus is on the defendant to prove innocence. I hardly buy the top comment as true but everyone eats it up here since it goes with their narrative

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by quickthrower2 »

sgjohnson wrote: post #56
kelnos wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you do it, Facebook will probably retaliate by permanently closing your account.

I'd really like to see this. And after that I'd like to see a jury hit Facebook with 12 figures in punitive damages in a class action case.

Doesn't FB have the right to not do business with you? What is the basis for the suit?

Anyway I do remember FB's "a cool "open source" way to do front-end development, feel "free" to use it, you can't sue us though". So maybe there is some shitty clause like that when you sign up.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by koolba »

Kiro wrote: post #28
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

What was the full sentence? I've marketed a lot of games on Facebook with much worse words (kill etc) and never had a problem. Also, kept money how? Facebook charges you in arrears.

The details matter big time. There must be tons of ads with phrases like “Beat addiction”, “Beat the crowds”, or even anything having to do with music.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by lvxferre »

prepend wrote: post #63
bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

The weirdest is the email message says they reviewed and upheld. Is the review not human? Do they run it through the same algorithm a second time? Do they lie about the review? Is the reviewer so out of touch they don’t recognize real violence vs just the use of “beat?”

>Is the review not human? Do they run it through the same algorithm a second time? Do they lie about the review?

Yes, yes, and yes. There's a context-illiterate AI deciding what you can say or not, even if the later heavily depends on context.

And just like it'll trigger a bazillion of false positives, it'll also trigger a bazillion of false negatives; someone can easily spread hate through Facebook, unimpeded, by simply encoding language in a way that the algorithm doesn't understand, but humans do; or with simple irony.

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Post by michaelmrose »

sgjohnson wrote: post #56
kelnos wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if you do it, Facebook will probably retaliate by permanently closing your account.

I'd really like to see this. And after that I'd like to see a jury hit Facebook with 12 figures in punitive damages in a class action case.

There has been one 12 figure judgement in history and it was from big tobacco lying about the danger of their product which has killed millions of people over decades.

In this situation there would be no judgement because there is no right to have a facebook account therefore they can close your account because they don't like your face or indeed because you sued them. Why would you imagine that a jury would basically award you all facebook's money because they closed your account? Yes sir Mr soandso they were clearly jerks I award you Facebook now try not to be as big a jerk as Zuck and good day to you!

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by ahallock »

bwb wrote: post #2

I was just talking to an author who published an ad on Facebook for their sci fi book. They had the word "beat" in the ad. The FB algo said that words intills people to violence, banned her account for 2 months, and kept all the ad money. Funny enough, her book is about the dangers of an algorithm-based AI supersystem... Facebook is the worst.

Beats by Dre must have a difficult time.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by somat »

ben_w wrote: post #11
darthrupert wrote: post #6

Recently Farcebook has started recommending incredibly toxic anti-SJW shit to me for no apparent reason. Either they turned the "let's incite toxicity" knob to 11 or somebody is seriously abusing them.

Possibly, but not the only explanations — my feed is now more than 50% suggested/promoted content, including Fox News Tampa, even though I'm living in a different city in a different state in a different country in a different continent and almost all of my friends are further to the left than even the left-most US Democrat. If I had to guess, the bottom has fallen out of the advertising market and every business rel…

It reminds me of stores, you can get a feel for how well the store is doing by how aggressively they try to shovel the loyalty card on you.

See also: magazines, watch the signal to noise ratio plummet as they try to prop up revenue with more and lower quality ads.

I get why they do it, they are in a death spiral, desperately trying to find that one thing that will save them, mostly I think it just hastens the end as the bad experience turns people away.

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Post by peteradio »

piokoch wrote: post #34

The problem is that no automatic method we have now will catch context. There is a difference between "Jews were murdered by Germans during war" and "Jews destroyed German economy before the war" that will not be recognized by any machine we have nowadays. The first is true, the second is bullshit, how algorithm can now this? More, even if Facebook employees humans to do moderation still for some contractor from Asia…

Provide services that force people to have skin in the game (non-anonymous and/or paid). Don't connect the whole goddamn world together, the world is not a melting pot. Let those in the network flag/block/defend/vouch so it aligns with whatever culture is on that particular network.

Re: Facebook bans Holocaust film for violating race policy

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Post by philippejara »

benj111 wrote: post #3

We really need to stop thinking about social networking sites as private companies, and think about them as the public spaces they actually are. It isn't good for society for a few companies to have a strangle hold on what can be said online. I do kind of feel for them in some ways because you have different nations with different norms and laws, but the answer isn't some lowest common denominator, and ridding the we…

Well you shut down the idea yourself, would be completely non-viable due to jurisdiction issues, unless you'd want to follow the US position and even then you'd run into issues.

The biggest problem I'd say isn't necessarily the websites themselves but stuff like the app store and google play store, and things like infrastructure providers. Having your social media be removed from the apple store/google play store is basically killing them in the mass market, and we all know how incredibly selective they are especially when it comes to forbidding platforms that may contain porn(like tumblr for example and initially gab) while also but still allow twitter that is completely inundated with it. And that's before mentioning the downright mental idea that payment processors can just decide to not work with you anymore.

The social media itself I feel is the least of the things that would benefit from being treated closer to a public "utility" for the lack of a better word.

We're way past the point where people can just build their own stuff and be independent when targeting a significant audience(and sometimes even a smaller niche one), you need the support of payment providers, you need the support of app stores, you need the support of ddos mitigation companies/cdn's (especially in a post IOT world where your toaster is part of a botnet), and the list goes on.

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