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How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by lhl »

kcb wrote: post #27
stewbrew wrote: post #22

What I don't like about framework notebooks is that they seem to be mostly interested in speed, which is why they seemed to choose these P-series CPUs. With a notebook, I'm much more interested in energy consumption (how long can I work off grid), emissions like fan noise and the like. Why no U-series CPUs?

Restricting TDP is generally an option on laptops if you really wanted to. Not sure if Framework provides any out of the box TDP switching but software like ThrottleStop can do it.

Also on Linux most distros have thermald installed and you can change the config to limit the max temperature to defacto throttle power usage. Alternatively, you can modify the RAPL limits to cap power usage directly to taste: https://community.frame.work/t/thermal-management-on-linux-w...

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by perryizgr8 »

bpodgursky wrote: post #29
jxi wrote: post #17

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That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.

Maybe, but 4-5 hours is solidly the point at which it doesn't matter at all to me. I haven't had trouble finding an outlet for years, even at airports, planes, coffeeshops, etc.

I used to think like this. But after using an M1 Macbook Pro, I've changed my opinion. This is true all-day battery. You never have to think about battery anymore. It makes a big difference to my workflow, even though I'm literally 24 hours at home, never more than a few feet away from a wall socket.

I'm willing to put up with all the downsides of this laptop and the OS, just because of the battery life.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by crakhamster01 »

bpodgursky wrote: post #29
jxi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s pretty bad compared to m1. Less than half the battery life. Also Samsung laptops don’t last in my experience. They make short term tradeoffs at the expense of long term reliability.

Maybe, but 4-5 hours is solidly the point at which it doesn't matter at all to me. I haven't had trouble finding an outlet for years, even at airports, planes, coffeeshops, etc.

I used to think this as well, but the all day battery life on M1 really made me realize how much of a mental tether outlets used to be. It seems pretty minor, but not worrying about getting a seat at the {coffee shop/airport/lounge} next to an outlet makes working on the go a much more attractive option now.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by Dunedan »

nrp wrote: post #32
procodr wrote: post #8

For "Linux kernel compilation speed" they have compared a 16 GB model with 64 GB model for achieving 102.60% improvement! It's so funny =)

Yes, we intended to do an apples to apples comparison, but didn’t find the necessary units on hand when writing the post.

Why didn't you just move the 16GB of RAM from the 11th Gen model to the 12th Gen model? Both use DDR4 after all, don't they?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by rsyring »

1R wrote: post #55
nrp wrote: post #32

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Yes, we intended to do an apples to apples comparison, but didn’t find the necessary units on hand when writing the post.

Saying that you intended to do something, and in the same breath that you were subsequently unable to do said thing, because you couldn't find what was required is very discouraging for a prospective customer. Also, "benchmarking" dissimilar systems comes across as marketing scam, scammy marketing, appealing to the deceivable, which some might view as reprehensible :(

Reprehensible...really? There's lots of that in the world, pretty sure this isn't it. They put the memory difference right there in the stats, it's not like they are hiding it.

Lighten up a bit. :)

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by wodenokoto »

After Apples announcement of M1, I feel like it is mandatory for such a laptop test to discuss power per watt and for how long you can game on the 11 vs 12th gen processor.

I also feel like it is worth mentioning that 12th gen laptop is priced ~ $150 over the 11th gen.

If you're coding against an online build system and 11 last an extra hour (or whatever), it's a no-brainer to stick with the old one.

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by xeromal »

nixgeek wrote: post #66
cokeandpepsi wrote: post #45

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I think 18 days ago you might have said something to the the tune of you’d never do business with Apple again. You changed your mind fast. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32188366

This is ridiculous. Why do people behave this way?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by scarface74 »

smoldesu wrote: post #54
scarface74 wrote: post #40

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I travel a lot. That’s going to be increasing by the end of the year as my wife and I live the digital nomad life flying across the US. The freedom of not having to worry about your battery life for a day of real world use is amazing. I’ve only had that over the years with an iPad before ARM Macs. Not to mention your laptop not getting hot enough to boil eggs or sounding like a 747 when you open too ,any Chrome tabs.

The freedom of running Docker on a laptop without heating it to 60c is too tempting, unfortunately. My Macbook will get 2-3 hours of battery life over my Thinkpad, but my Thinkpad also doesn't burn my palms with regular use. It's a game of tradeoffs, but I rarely find myself reaching for the Macbook if I've got a desktop close by. Maybe that's a skewed perspective though. I have yet to try the Pro/Max chips seriously…

What type of battery life are you getting on an Mx MacBook?

Re: How fast is 12th Gen Intel Core?

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Post by KingOfCoders »

nominusllc wrote: post #2

I went from saying, "if only they had an AMD" to getting a different machine in ARM and now im saying "if only they had ARM". I never realized how much heat, vibration, air blowers negatively affected me before. A framework laptop with some type of ARM or ARM-like cpu could do a lot with the space savings on cooling.

My XPS didn't blow. My MacBook Pros (Intel) always did. As others have shown heat management in Intel MacBook Pros were abysmal and not comparable to other Intel Laptops. Yes, the M1 is a huge power efficiency jump forward, would love affordable ARM desktop machines, but a lot of the MacBook Pro (Intel) problems are from very bad heat management.

[Edit] My understanding is, that a lot of power efficiency and performance comes from the large cache - not only ARM - which is more efficient than main memory and faster - also see AMD X3D. (per core AFAIK) Ryzen 7 L1/L2: 32/512, M1 L1/L2 192/3072

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