Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious, if you are young, what are the reasons to get vaccinated?
to prevent the spread of disease
It seems like these vaccines don't actually do that, though. At least not when it comes to the Delta variant.
I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying
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#73Pretty odd article to see from fellow doctor and someone who gets angry at stuff like this probably should find another career. Is she angry at the patients who abused their bodies all their lives, resulting in their inpatient stay? All the heart failure patients who simply refuse to follow simple instructions that would keep them out of the hospital? I just looked, 42% of the patients on our inpatient floor with COV…
I know a doctor at a hospital and he said that the current percentage of vaccinated Covid admissions is very close to the overall percentage of vaccinated people in his area.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure why downvoted. Do people think this comment indicates you are an antivaxxer? Which part of the comment suggests that?
perhaps the part where the virus death rate is off by a factor of 10
Huh, in what way was it off by a factor of 10?
Population of USA is 330M [0]
2,854,838 registered deaths in 2019, which is 0.8% of the population, or about 8 in 1000 [1]
As of December 31 2020, around 400k people had died of covid in the USA, but let's just be conservative and pretend 600k people died in 2020. 600k out of 330M is 0.18% of the population or about 2 in 1000 [2]
[0] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population...
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_dat...
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
to prevent the spread of disease
It seems like these vaccines don't actually do that, though. At least not when it comes to the Delta variant.
Not even remotely true.
Vaccines reduce ones chance of acquiring a Delta infection by a significant margin (not as high as previous variants but still significant). Even if you assume just 50% effectiveness in preventing disease (which is very conservative), that dramatically lowers the R-value and slows spread.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems like these vaccines don't actually do that, though. At least not when it comes to the Delta variant.
Not even remotely true. Vaccines reduce ones chance of acquiring a Delta infection by a significant margin (not as high as previous variants but still significant). Even if you assume just 50% effectiveness in preventing disease (which is very conservative), that dramatically lowers the R-value and slows spread.
> Vaccines clearly reduce ones chance of acquiring a COVID infection by a significant margin.
All of that data is pre-Delta. The best thing you can say about the vaccines today is that they tend to reduce the overall severity/prevent people from dying.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure why downvoted. Do people think this comment indicates you are an antivaxxer? Which part of the comment suggests that?
perhaps the part where the virus death rate is off by a factor of 10
It is actually correct. US had Most people overestimate death rate by a factor of 10.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not even remotely true. Vaccines reduce ones chance of acquiring a Delta infection by a significant margin (not as high as previous variants but still significant). Even if you assume just 50% effectiveness in preventing disease (which is very conservative), that dramatically lowers the R-value and slows spread.
> Vaccines clearly reduce ones chance of acquiring a COVID infection by a significant margin. All of that data is pre-Delta. The best thing you can say about the vaccines today is that they tend to reduce the overall severity/prevent people from dying.
You really need to stop spreading falsehoods, you're not helping:
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/vaccines-remain-largely-ef...
The absolute lowest bound estimate was an Israeli study:
> In late July, the ministry further reduced its vaccine effectiveness estimate for symptomatic COVID-19 to 40.5%
However, they have failed to provide the data necessary to evaluate their results, and so at this time there's pretty wide skepticism regarding this figure.
In contrast:
> A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on July 21 by Public Health England, for example, found that after the two recommended doses, the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in preventing symptomatic disease in the U.K. fell only slightly, to 88.0% against delta
Being a betting man, I'd say the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but even at 60-70% effectiveness in preventing symptomatic Delta infection, vaccination leads to a significant reduction in R-value.
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#79I can. I got my shots as soon as I could, but I know lots of people that will never do it. Yesterday I was eating at a ramen shop - traffic was slow, so I got to listen to the bulletproof young man waiting tables talk to his friend at length about how he'd never get the shot, just like the flu, I'm not an anti-vaxxer - but, I don't wear tinfoil hats - but. The list of reasons not to do it was long and apparently conv…
I have a hunch there’s quite a few people who just don’t like needles, and are happy there are so many creative excuses to avoid getting the shot.
I was asking the same thing the other day. No way to prove it, but I would say it's probably 25%.
Before this all started, I knew quite a few people who were just terrified of needles. Now, it's not that they're terrified, it's just [insert BS reason]
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#80Pretty odd article to see from fellow doctor and someone who gets angry at stuff like this probably should find another career. Is she angry at the patients who abused their bodies all their lives, resulting in their inpatient stay? All the heart failure patients who simply refuse to follow simple instructions that would keep them out of the hospital? I just looked, 42% of the patients on our inpatient floor with COV…
I know a doctor at a hospital and he said that the current percentage of vaccinated Covid admissions is very close to the overall percentage of vaccinated people in his area.
Got anything more than hearsay to back that up?