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Jasenovac happenned during WWII, one of the most despicable events in history of the Croatia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasenovac_concentration_camp However, the memory of Jasenovac often serves as justification for new atrocities commited to revenge the victims (50 years later!) Serbia was bombarded for crimes on Kosovo, probably to stop Kosovo from becoming next Bosnia...
A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia
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Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks for the background. Fully confirm what you say about the people. It's just sad to see how much damage a couple of ruthless, self-service people can do. But blaming the printer, really? That's like blaming an intern...
> But blaming the printer, really? That's like blaming an intern... To clarify, I mean the printer as a company, not the device .. and yes, it indeed is as bad as blaming the intern.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
For starters, don't reward war crimes. Organize swift trials. They've only recently finished trials of high ranking generals and officials, there are thousands lower ranked ones which will never feel the hand of justice.
Thanks for your input. And what about the territorial control and governmental system?
Even welcoming Bosnia into EU wouldn't help, that would be just a free pass to relocate for work, and a shot of a decent life (that is not easy to achieve in a foreign country, working jobs locals would not take)
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you really think that every single country in the world has the same values as certain groups in the EU?
As far as I know most laws that are 'pushed' are based on providing equality, protection of minorities and avoiding discrimination (i.e. LBGT). Basically things like these are not okay: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_anti-LGBT_law
As the other commenter said, most of these movements have nothing to do with Eastern and Central European history, so they aren’t received well. E.g. Poland and Hungary had no colonies so anti-colonialism ideology doesn’t make much sense to be there...yet it is being pushed.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm afraid this is not at all bullshit, even though I wish it was so. While it is true that these opposing countries no doubt each have their own problems with (local/national) corruption and oligarchies, the ideologies that are currently being forced on them are very much the product of corruption and oligarchies on a much larger scale (just better hidden). In fact, none of these ideologies are what they claim to be…
> the ideologies that are currently being forced on them are very much the product of corruption and oligarchies on a much larger scale (just better hidden). In fact, none of these ideologies are what claim to be. This is all about powers who have essentially hijacked the EU project for their own greedy gains. The ideological criticism in reality just attempts to crush the (relatively amateurishly organized) local co…
It's more about huge capital/business interests that have found their way into political parties in both the EU and most of its member states. While democracy is a great thing if it indeed represents the will of a people, even if divided by philosophical and practical disagreements, when political parties (covertly) become lobbying agencies for large business interests it becomes a very different story.
After the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the collapse of Yugoslavia, plenty of business were immediately involved with the "privatizations" of (formerly) nationalized resources and services. A lot of that was done with the assistance of local collaborators, many of which later became what we now call those local oligarchs and way too powerful politicians. What is currently happening has a lot to do with reigning back in these locals, after becoming a bit too powerful (and greedy), and taking even more than was already originally taken (if not stolen).
A big problem in all this is that shady business deals often stay below the radar of ordinary citizens, even though these same business deals might be of a huge influence of what happens in the (international) political arena.
Just as an example, think about how Royal Dutch Shell managed to score exclusive rights to natural resources in the Ukraine, for I believe as much as a decade. This happened either right before or shortly after the change of power in the country, but certainly before Crimea and the east of the country decided that they did not agree their new masters in Kiev. Now, go and guess where most of those natural resources are located. Looks to me like Shell just lost a lot of potential profit there. But of course the military/policing campaign that followed was all about crushing local terrorism. The key point in all this: I don't remember even a single EU news outlet running any story about Shell and the serious investments it just made (and then saw evaporate) in the Ukraine. This is just an example. There are plenty of other stories where business deals made in the dark end up being "conveniently coincide" with political events involving former Soviet or Yugoslavian countries.
Just like the EU government and media suffering from a case of instant autism regarding the (filmed) police brutalities in Serbia last year, despite many NGO's writing letters to both EU governments and the media alike. Of course it is a coincidence that the EU was just about to conduct talks with the country's president about Kosovo, where foreign industrialist would love to finally get their hands on the trillions (as in literally trillions) worth of natural resources. Something the "independence" war of Kosovo didn't manage to fully achieve, much to the dismay of some very powerful people.
It is said that Kosovo "happened" not long after members of the Albanian mafia made considerable campaign contributions to US lawmakers linked to the Clinton administration. I've seen plenty of Serbs therefore claim that this mafia essentially bought itself their own fiefdom. In reality, they are more like the local useful idiots who get a relatively small reward for their cooperation. The real story is how foreign industrialist (tried to) get their hands on this very important piece of land. For historical reference: Hitler rushed to Kosovo to get exclusive control over it. Back then for the same reason as now: key natural resources. There's some very interesting stuff in the ground there (and not all of it publicly declared, but it can be deduced with some basic knowledge of geology)
Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
As you can see from the map Macedon was partially occupying territory of the modern country Macedonia. But what is more important than arguing about Ancient Times is respecting the national identity of the people that live today. The history of the name is complicated and we don’t share the same views with the Greeks but that is not the reason to fight over a name. Everyone in the world knows Greece. And nobody think…
I'm not talking about the Greeks, undoubtedly they also have their own concerns. But from a historical, scholarly or researcher perspective, you can't deny that this situation is very confusing. As an American who is interested in history and Ancient Greece, I can't in good conscience refer to your country as Macedonia in conversation. I always use the formal name "North Macedonia" and pretty much always have to expl…
Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia
#77As someone with ties to the region, I am always slightly confused by these articles because they are mostly an echo of the past. There is not much new here. You can place it at any point in the last 20 years and it would for the most part be valid. There's a lot going on in the world and I understand people don't have the attention span for all the details of the globe, but they don't even need to have. As a German newspaper, Spiegel could take a look at Germany's role, or even the EU's in what happened there. There are interesting topics even today, e.g. what is Gerhard Schröder doing there now and what was his role 20 years ago? As it is now, it's mostly just a stereotypical report that riles people up and kind of ends up amplifying those stereotypes. The article could be about some islands in the Pacific, but that's not true if you are a German newspaper!
The article touches upon some interesting developments related to the EU, e.g. that it's unfortunately not really a solution as it's mostly resulted in people leaving, but it lacks focus in general, and it holds no critical views. Another interesting angle could've been the conflicts that have been brewing internally for decades now that there are clearly separated nation states, and the enemies are for the most part behind clearly defined borders.
And lastly it could take an optimistic view that surely exists if for no other reason than that I'm an optimist, and I'm not alone. Not all people had severed ties completely even during the darkest times, and it's been a long time since. It's time for new perspectives.
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#79Amazed that the article paints Croatia as a country with "rising anti-democratic forces" while for some reason not mentioning that a month ago the mayoral election in the capital city (quarter of the population) was won by a left-green coalition modelled on Podemos. They won 40% of the vote.
Croatia is strange in that regard. On the one hand you have that mayoral election, on the other you have their national soccer team flying the nationalists version of Croatias flag. (if what our newspaper claimed was true. even if it is, they also printed a wrong flag of the opposite team on their jerseys once, so it could also just be a stupid mistake). I love that country so, very nice people and a beautiful landsc…