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A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what would have been a good solution?

For starters, don't reward war crimes. Organize swift trials. They've only recently finished trials of high ranking generals and officials, there are thousands lower ranked ones which will never feel the hand of justice.

Thanks for your input. And what about the territorial control and governmental system?

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The bombing of Kosovo was to protect Albanians from ethnic cleansing. Also, Bosnians are not croats and had nothing to do with it and what happened during WW2. And the serbs did genocide to them anyway.

This victim mentality is toxic. How is this justified in any way? "We got mistreated during WW2, so we feel justified to do war crimes to completely other groups 50 years later...."

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More concerning is the proud position Jasenovac holds in the modern day right-wing Croatian narrative - an increasingly socialised, romanticised version of neofascism. The Croatian Wikipedia Disinformation writeup from a few weeks ago [0] was some rabbithole - for those who understand the language. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27563118

Muslim Bosnians and Albanians are not Croats and have nothing to do with whatever you are describing. Serbs find any way to justify their horrendous act, except come out clean and move on to have better relations with their neighbors.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More concerning is the proud position Jasenovac holds in the modern day right-wing Croatian narrative - an increasingly socialised, romanticised version of neofascism. The Croatian Wikipedia Disinformation writeup from a few weeks ago [0] was some rabbithole - for those who understand the language. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27563118

Muslim Bosnians and Albanians are not Croats and have nothing to do with whatever you are describing. Serbs find any way to justify their horrendous act, except come out clean and move on to have better relations with their neighbors.

Correct. My comment made no mention of Bosnians or Albanians, nor did it have anything to do with Serbs.

I’m assuming you wouldn’t pass a captcha test, but if I’m wrong and you want to elaborate on your comment I’d love to better understand the point you were trying to make.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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post #22

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The bombing of Kosovo was to protect Albanians from ethnic cleansing. Also, Bosnians are not croats and had nothing to do with it and what happened during WW2. And the serbs did genocide to them anyway. This victim mentality is toxic. How is this justified in any way? "We got mistreated during WW2, so we feel justified to do war crimes to completely other groups 50 years later...."

>had nothing to do with it and what happened during WW2

Outsiders meddling and their uninformed[1] rhetoric complicate things further.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_...

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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post #13

I remember when Spiegel did this same sort of travel story through the US and it turned out the author just made most of it up to fit whatever stereotypes he wanted to confirm about americans. Hard to take them seriously after that.

Welcome to being on the receiving end of a travelogue, I guess.

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I remember when Spiegel did this same sort of travel story through the US and it turned out the author just made most of it up to fit whatever stereotypes he wanted to confirm about americans. Hard to take them seriously after that.

The Spiegel is great at this kind of storytelling. I came to see them as the BILD for people abl to read snetences with more than 5 words.

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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Amazed that the article paints Croatia as a country with "rising anti-democratic forces" while for some reason not mentioning that a month ago the mayoral election in the capital city (quarter of the population) was won by a left-green coalition modelled on Podemos. They won 40% of the vote.

Croatia is strange in that regard. On the one hand you have that mayoral election, on the other you have their national soccer team flying the nationalists version of Croatias flag. (if what our newspaper claimed was true. even if it is, they also printed a wrong flag of the opposite team on their jerseys once, so it could also just be a stupid mistake).

I love that country so, very nice people and a beautiful landscape!

Re: A journey through the troubled former Yugoslavia

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It should be noted that while the article writes "communist" and "regime", the economy and political structure of Yugoslavia differed drastically from what was going on in the likes of the USSR, DRR, etc. as did their foreign policy [1][2][3] 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Feder... 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism

Tito was impressive just by managing to be somewhat communist but never falling under the control of the USSR. Maybe being the first real pain for Nazi Germany in WW2, resistance wise, helps not being affraid of larger powers.
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