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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by Yetanfou »

zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> There can be a concept of “BLM” that is obviously right and important to support, while there is also a well organized radical contingent taking cover within BLM that is wreaking havoc on the streets and will bully or beat up anyone who stands up to them (police or bystander alike).

For starters I'd suggest not putting black lives matter in capitals since that acronym covers both the tautological expression as well as the Marxist organisation which has taken this moniker. Yes, lives matter no matter the colour of the skin, why do you ask? No, I will not support the organisation which has co-opted the name since they only use the name to further their political agenda.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by josteink »

sneak wrote: post #36
zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> considering the sustained months of police violence that have been inflicted upon them illegally

What part about the police stopping a violent riot which has been going on for months to end is illegal?

I realize it depends on who you ask these days, but to me it sounds like they are doing their job, to ensure law and order.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by youareostriches »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #31
youareostriches wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Daily Caller has been managed by Tucker Carlson, who attacks protesters on the air virtually every day. The Daily Caller is known for right-wing troll articles. There’s no chance in hell that this publication would ever portray protesters favorably.

And therefore protestors have a right to prevent them from filming in a public space?

Oh sure, the Daily Caller certainly has a right to complain. They just shouldn’t expect anyone to take them seriously about their intentions to report without bias.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by amadeuspagel »

sneak wrote: post #63
rbecker wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Then lucky us to have the news correct our judgement by withholding key facts. Edit: When replying to my extremely short comment, I would be grateful if you took the time to first read it. The single sentence I wrote neither claims the attempts at cen…

I’ve seen no shortage of pearl-clutching over breathlessly reported videos of almost all of the violence so far. Some buildings and vehicles have burned. On the other hand, children have been shot in the face with projectiles and suffered TBIs. Police have permanently blinded people and shattered bones. I think it is a mistake to even begin to equate the amount of police violence that has been inflicted with the viol…

> Some buildings and vehicles have burned.

And some people have been murdered: https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by cochne »

rbecker wrote: post #45
sneak wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Then lucky us to have the news correct our judgement by withholding key facts. Edit: When replying to my extremely short comment, I would be grateful if you took the time to first read it. The single sentence I wrote neither claims the attempts at cen…

It's not as if these elements don't exist on the side of the police either. Check out the article "Teargassed, beaten up, arrested: what freedom of the press looks like in the US right now", for example. For either side, the actions are in my opinion completely unwarranted by either side, and just wrong, but it didn't start with the protesters.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by z9e »

sneak wrote: post #32

It makes me sad that an institution I used to like and respect, reason.com, seems more and more often to subscribe to the standard (and, taken uncritically, untrue) set pieces of the standard American culture war. This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertaria…

How is reason.com being authoritarian here?

How is antifa intimidating and attacking political dissenters not closer to a truer authoritarian accusation? I’m not sure where the “antifa is not violent” gaslighting is stemming from, but there’s a tremendous amount of YouTube footage that anyone can objectively discern from what a violent group of people looks like. The violence is not just them, it’s also right wing agitators such as patriot prayer and the proud boys. All groups involved are the foot soldiers for the ideology they represent.

You can argue antifa isn’t a mob and are just a small agitator involved in an overwhelming complex culture war, but that doesn’t negate their actions that have been documented.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by amadeuspagel »

youareostriches wrote: post #61
sneak wrote: post #32

It makes me sad that an institution I used to like and respect, reason.com, seems more and more often to subscribe to the standard (and, taken uncritically, untrue) set pieces of the standard American culture war. This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertaria…

> This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertarian audience have shifted a lot more authoritarian in recent years, so it’s a logical evolution. It’s just super disappointing to see them regurgitating the off-the-shelf battle lines instead of digging for real. Y…

Publications are generally not titled x-ism, where x is the ideology they represent. Libertarianism is not "a trojan horse for ideology" it is an ideology.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

formercoder wrote: post #40
zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

I’ve found that most people I speak to can’t accept that most issues are complex shades of gray. It’s all our team or their team based on whatever news channel they subscribe to. No one takes time to dig below the surface and think for themselves.

I think this is a natural, human tendency. Us vs. them. Tribalism. That sort of thing.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by bassman9000 »

mschuster91 wrote: post #5

Having done a fair share of media work on and in German protests myself: the biggest problem is that video evidence can and will be used by cops to go after activists - and that includes material from way outside a riot scene, given that police also look for such tiny details as shoes to (attempt to) identify people. The people at such events have something to lose: careers, families, friendships, years behind bars.…

video evidence can and will be used by cops to go after activists

only if there's something to use. If it's you just standing there with a sign, it's useless. If it's you throwing a molotov cocktail, or tailing someone to shoot them, yes, it will be rightfully used.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by Mary-Jane »

Kednicma wrote: post #49
ppf wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there is, except I'm sure a lot of the people on that subreddit are also heavily involved in "protesting". There certainly is a selection bias at play in the general population of Portland, too ;) Edit: I also find it fascinating that the users of the Portland subreddit will shun or ban you if you are not actually in Portland, as I am sure that a lot of those folks strongly favour all immigration in general…

We favor legal immigration. Have your papers in order, be able to speak coherently and talk to people, and be useful to society. We aren't fond of random fascists coming in from across the Washington-Oregon border, let alone driving in from Idaho, just to have street fights and arguments. From our perspective, you're just some hateful outsider who has no experience living in a society. If you want our respect, then y…

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