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'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by youareostriches »

sneak wrote: post #32

It makes me sad that an institution I used to like and respect, reason.com, seems more and more often to subscribe to the standard (and, taken uncritically, untrue) set pieces of the standard American culture war. This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertaria…

> This one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical”, and also aliasing “antifa” and “blm” as coterminous. The truth is very different, but I fear that many in their libertarian audience have shifted a lot more authoritarian in recent years, so it’s a logical evolution. It’s just super disappointing to see them regurgitating the off-the-shelf battle lines instead of digging for real.

You’d think it ironic that a publication titled “Reason” would succumb to ideology, but the truth is that libertarianism (which, in the US, is seen as unequivocally right-wing) has always been used as a trojan horse for ideology. So they’ll attack a movement they perceive as being driven by an ideology (pro-social-welfare, pro-economic equality) which they oppose.

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by ppf »

Kednicma wrote: post #49
ppf wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there is, except I'm sure a lot of the people on that subreddit are also heavily involved in "protesting". There certainly is a selection bias at play in the general population of Portland, too ;) Edit: I also find it fascinating that the users of the Portland subreddit will shun or ban you if you are not actually in Portland, as I am sure that a lot of those folks strongly favour all immigration in general…

We favor legal immigration. Have your papers in order, be able to speak coherently and talk to people, and be useful to society. We aren't fond of random fascists coming in from across the Washington-Oregon border, let alone driving in from Idaho, just to have street fights and arguments. From our perspective, you're just some hateful outsider who has no experience living in a society. If you want our respect, then y…

>From our perspective, you're just some hateful outsider who has no experience living in a society.

I'm glad we feel the same way about immigration ;)

Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland

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Post by sneak »

rbecker wrote: post #45
sneak wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Then lucky us to have the news correct our judgement by withholding key facts. Edit: When replying to my extremely short comment, I would be grateful if you took the time to first read it. The single sentence I wrote neither claims the attempts at cen…

I’ve seen no shortage of pearl-clutching over breathlessly reported videos of almost all of the violence so far.

Some buildings and vehicles have burned.

On the other hand, children have been shot in the face with projectiles and suffered TBIs. Police have permanently blinded people and shattered bones.

I think it is a mistake to even begin to equate the amount of police violence that has been inflicted with the violence that has resulted from rioting. The police have been inflicting permanent injuries indiscriminately on anyone present.

There is no comparison or remotely corresponding events in terms of violence from the protests, with the exception perhaps of the people who attacked Rittenhouse.

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Post by roflc0ptic »

Irony unintended: I’d really love to see some videos of protestors shouting these things. Didn’t see any with the article.

Which isn’t to say it’s all fabrication, but “Reason” doesn’t exactly tend towards a balanced, reasonable perspective on these things.

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Post by czbond »

zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

The small acts of violence are either a brilliant strategy move of RNC, or a lapse of strategy on the far left. Small bouts of violence are completely de-lever the strategic impact of the intended gatherings from an optics perspective.

Someone smart realized that if violence dominoes a bit, along with some press leverage, it creates families afraid of 'defunded police and personal safety issues'. The allowance in Chicago, Portland, Seattle literally played to Trump's hand - which I suspect is the opposite of what organizers believe.

Edit: This is my independent view as a libertarian.

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Post by cwhiz »

Dahoon wrote: post #50

>But it's easy to understand why protesters use them: to shape the narrative the country sees about the protests. That is a very biased view. The reality is that photo and film is used to target people by the government even if you are at a peaceful protest (I'm not talking about rioters). Hence the hyperbolic "filming equals death" thing. Getting filmed or having your picture taken at a protest in the States is on t…

That’s some absurd hyperbole. Death?

These people are scared of going to jail. They know they are breaking the law and they know if they get caught they could go to jail.

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Post by zaroth »

sneak wrote: post #36
zaroth wrote: post #19

The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…

> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…

> If the state wants people to respect the laws and remain peaceful, it needs to clean its own house of violent criminals first.

No, the people demand that everyone respect the laws and remain peaceful.

To that end, the people fund and enact a police force to protect life and property, and to apprehend suspected criminals.

I don’t think it’s accurate to say that “some of the protestors have turned violent.” There is a contingent which is using violence as a specific strategy, against property and against police as well as bystanders who may not agree with them.

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Post by someguydave »

Dahoon wrote: post #50

>But it's easy to understand why protesters use them: to shape the narrative the country sees about the protests. That is a very biased view. The reality is that photo and film is used to target people by the government even if you are at a peaceful protest (I'm not talking about rioters). Hence the hyperbolic "filming equals death" thing. Getting filmed or having your picture taken at a protest in the States is on t…

I do hope the government uses the means available to collect evidence to prosecute criminals in court.

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Post by someguydave »

cwhiz wrote: post #66
Dahoon wrote: post #50

>But it's easy to understand why protesters use them: to shape the narrative the country sees about the protests. That is a very biased view. The reality is that photo and film is used to target people by the government even if you are at a peaceful protest (I'm not talking about rioters). Hence the hyperbolic "filming equals death" thing. Getting filmed or having your picture taken at a protest in the States is on t…

That’s some absurd hyperbole. Death? These people are scared of going to jail. They know they are breaking the law and they know if they get caught they could go to jail.

They only go to jail if they are judged to have committed crimes in court.

I wonder if antifa gives similar due process rights to the people it accuses and attacks?

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