I was just looking at the zoom of the Nikon p1000 and from over 3 miles away you can easily zoom in and read a piece of paper. Even if these people don’t want someone recording them on the ground, a camera could literally be so far away they would not even see it recording them. It just seems ignorant. I pretty much assume I am being recorded at all times and act as such. Too many hidden cameras, security cameras and cameras so good I would not even see them in action.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=LhQlwKX3LQA
'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland
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Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland
#42The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…
Which buildings have been burned, exactly? Local reporting covered the Molotov cocktails last night [0] but did not indicate that any buildings were being burned down or even caught on fire.
Portlanders continue to note that most of the city is unaffected by protests. Life goes on as normal. Only a couple specific blocks downtown are contested, and only because the police have chosen to make those blocks into a battleground.
Edit: Downvoters, which buildings have been burned? Bootlicking isn't cute, it's servile. If you cannot back up your claims about Portland, maybe stop making them.
[0] https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/09/portland-protest-dec...
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#43This is the environment in which the journalism originally flourished: obtaining and reporting information that is not readily accessible otherwise, often against the wishes of the powers on the ground; and frequently being in danger while obtaining it. I am not glorifying this setup, it is horrible; but the information it provides is very valuable. Unfortunately, nowadays the journalist working on such project will…
Could unions and professional associations fill that gap? Why aren't they now? Where are groups like the ACLU? It's worth noting that journalism as a profession has a problem with letting itself become political. Seems like for a journalism association to be effective in these cases, it must insist on the impartiality that most institutions seem to be finding too difficult lately.
>Could unions and professional associations fill that gap?
This and the below
>journalism as a profession has a problem with letting itself become political
Unions are by definition political, so that wouldn't solve the problem you describe.
Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland
#44The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…
Egregious contradictions that enrage a significant segment of the population (especially those outside your normal readership) get your story shared approximately a gazillion times. E.g. the stories you saw were the ones that were egregious. A given story might be propaganda but a lot of this stuff is just a marketing strategy.
Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland
#45The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. The most charitable interpretation I can think of is that these professional journalists think that their readers can’t understand a nuanced world of gray and need everything reduced to black and white. There can be a concept of “BLM”…
> The mainstream news reporting on Portland (and other regional rioting) got to the point where they were bald-faced lying about peaceful protests standing in front of burning buildings. It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Everyone I saw celebrating 100 days was celebrating 100 days of su…
> It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor.
Then lucky us to have the news correct our judgement by withholding key facts.
Edit: When replying to my extremely short comment, I would be grateful if you took the time to first read it. The single sentence I wrote neither claims the attempts at censorship were perfect, nor that the police were perfect little angels, nor does it equate anything (such as violence by one side) with anything else.
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#46The libertarian non-profit Reason Foundation and it’s associated magazine (linked article) have become much more prominent and linked as a respected news source since the beginning of the year. They do fantastic reporting with a logical (although biased towards freedom and individual rights) and informative style, which has simply disappeared from mainstream sources like the NYT and WaPo. I trust Reason much more tha…
I will +1 it as well. I have read Reason for about 10 years, and I like that they wear they have a clear ideology and have consistently stood up against US Republican and Democratic positions that don't make sense. (e.g. their work on pointless licencing for things is great).
Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
> any "mostly peaceful" claims can and should be dismissed as unverifiable I honestly thought “mostly peaceful” was a meme at this point. With cities on fire for months and months, how can anyone take such a claim seriously? Edit: Twitter seems to agree with me. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MostlyPeaceful
According to this report, most BLM protests have been peaceful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-bla... original report here: https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-vi...
BLM as an organization has existed since 2013-2014. Before 2020, has there been any violence from anti-police-brutality protesting? The protests have been incredibly peaceful for years and years. What you're seeing now is a response to the lack of action boiling over. When voting and peacefully protesting doesn't stop the government executing American citizens in the streets, what do you do next? What's left? When you get thousands of angry people together, it's just going to result in some bad actions, unfortunately. If you want the violence to stop, then stop giving thousands of angry people reasons to gather.
Re: 'You're Not Allowed to Film': The Fight to Control Who Reports from Portland
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> any "mostly peaceful" claims can and should be dismissed as unverifiable I honestly thought “mostly peaceful” was a meme at this point. With cities on fire for months and months, how can anyone take such a claim seriously? Edit: Twitter seems to agree with me. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MostlyPeaceful
According to this report, most BLM protests have been peaceful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-bla... original report here: https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-vi...
This HN news-story is all about the news we get about this “mostly peaceful” movement being extremely biased.
And you cite those very same news-stories as evidence of this article being wrong. Congratulations.
Also, that guy who only beats his wife when he gets drunk in the weekend is mostly non-violent, so I guess there’s no problem there either then? At least not by your logic?
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
And is there not a selection bias at play in a subreddit? People who don't follow the majority opinions of those on a subreddit are routinely hounded down and mass downvoted until they leave, seeing it's futile to try and converse there.
Of course there is, except I'm sure a lot of the people on that subreddit are also heavily involved in "protesting". There certainly is a selection bias at play in the general population of Portland, too ;) Edit: I also find it fascinating that the users of the Portland subreddit will shun or ban you if you are not actually in Portland, as I am sure that a lot of those folks strongly favour all immigration in general…
We favor legal immigration. Have your papers in order, be able to speak coherently and talk to people, and be useful to society. We aren't fond of random fascists coming in from across the Washington-Oregon border, let alone driving in from Idaho, just to have street fights and arguments.
From our perspective, you're just some hateful outsider who has no experience living in a society. If you want our respect, then you need to be a better person, or at a minimum you need to demonstrate that you're capable of being embedded within a societal context.
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#50>But it's easy to understand why protesters use them: to shape the narrative the country sees about the protests.
That is a very biased view. The reality is that photo and film is used to target people by the government even if you are at a peaceful protest (I'm not talking about rioters). Hence the hyperbolic "filming equals death" thing. Getting filmed or having your picture taken at a protest in the States is on the brink of becoming dangerous. The US checks 11 out of the 13 signs of fascism. After next election, likely 12 or all 13.