Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

lists.freebsd.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 80 posts

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#71

Post by geofft »

maallooc wrote: post #57
geofft wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that does not say to be respectful of other's opinions. It says to resolve disagreements constructively. "When will this madness end" is not an opinion that can in any way be resolved constructively - so it merits no respect. Here's an obvious example of why your reinterpretation doesn't match the CoC: once a disagreement is resolved and you pick some answer, should you still respect the opinion "I don't like tha…

Who gave you the authority to judge whether a speech is an opinion? "When will this madness end?" is an opinion, that this is a madness. Simple as that. Also, if you go to freebsd and tout about GPL, they will still respect your opinion. They won't agree with it, but that doesn't mean respect.

I certainly agree that "When will this madness end" is an opinion. I did not judge that it was not. I said that it "was not an opinion that can in any way be resolved constructively."

(I'm a little confused now in that this is the second comment of mine you've replied to where you've misinterpreted the words I used. Are you not a fluent English speaker? I'm certainly happy to phrase things in less complex ways if so.)

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#72

Post by blastonico »

CharlesW wrote: post #69
blastonico wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As for "gimp", you're right... Are you the person who says who can and who cannot feel offended? I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil (let's say we're about 150 millions). Unless you meant that only Christians from US should be considered.

> I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil… I'd find that surprising. Images of the devil have been a mainstay of Christian art for centuries (e.g. "The Temptation of Christ by the Devil"). The devil is also the mascot of two Brazilian football teams.

> Images of the devil have been a mainstay of Christian art for centuries

You're correct, but you don't see those arts in common churches and houses here. In the place that I live, demons are usually represented by a goat because they don't like the two horned guy at all.

> devil is also the mascot of two Brazilian football teams

That's interesting, maybe it's a newer team. The Brazilian classic mascots are usually either animals or humans.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#73

Post by verdverm »

blastonico wrote: post #32
torstenvl wrote: post #10

This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."

I feel like living in a big South Park episode.

I'm rewatching and it's amazing how good their commentary is

I really miss Jon Stewart

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#74

Post by eesmith »

RandomBacon wrote: post #5

Is this in response to BLM? I also heard a couple of years ago people were trying to rename slave harddrives to something else too (maybe "secondary"?).

The first I heard about it 17 years ago, in news articles about "a black employee of the county’s Probation Department filed a discrimination complaint with the Office of Affirmative Action Compliance after spotting “master” and “slave” labels on a videotape machine." - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/masterslave/ .

Projects started changing terminology at least 6 years ago, like Django at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7801646 .

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#75

Post by dang »

geofft wrote: post #41
maallooc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it makes sense because the slave always ask the master whether they're currently communicating with the controller. Master boot record also, because the program from the record controls the boot process of associated partitions.

Oh, sorry, you're right - when a slave wants to go talk to someone, he can do so at any time as long as the master isn't currently talking to someone. And the slave gets no orders from the master, both the master and the slave get orders from someone else. And yes, the master makes no decisions on his own, the master simply sees which of the slaves has indicated that he wishes to be passed control, and then the maste…

Would you please stop posting flamewar comments to HN? You do it often enough that I wince when I see your username in threads like this, even though you're generally a good HN contributor.

Comments like this do not help, regardless of how right you are on the underlying issues.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#76

Post by dang »

maallooc wrote: post #21
geofft wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, "primary"/"secondary" is common. For hard drives "master"/"slave" isn't even an accurate metaphor, since both are driven by the host computer, it's only that the secondary is physically wired to the primary and can't use the communications channel when the primary is in operation. The primary doesn't send commands to the secondary or anything. See also this comment I wrote a couple days ago re ZFS avoiding the…

Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub. From wikipedia. Primary/secondary does not accurately depict the meaning. >inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling You're welcome.

Would you please stop using HN for ideological flamewar? You've been doing it a lot, it's not what this site is for, and we ban such accounts.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#78

Post by dependenttypes »

geofft wrote: post #43
maallooc wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, but didn't they adopt a code of conduct that they be "welcoming" and "respectful" (of other opinions)? Your belief seems to directly contradict their coc.

No - the CoC says nothing about being welcoming or respectful of other opinions , just of people .

It would actually be great if you applied this to yourself. I do not think that calling people pedophiles and mis-gendering them is being welcoming to people.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#79

Post by BrandoElFollito »

blastonico wrote: post #56
KryDos wrote: post #49

So as far as I understand Hans (the author) is FreeBSD maintainer and he made the change in the source code. Community isn't happy about it (based on the email thread). Is there any person who can actually revert the change ignoring Hans? How does it work in FreeBSD? I'm quite unhappy with such changes. There are terms I used to and I never thought about those terms in any way bad meaning. Are people who rename Maste…

Europeans LOVE to dictate what other people must do, pointing fingers and change everything to make them feel better about themselves. I'm from Brazil, ex-colony of Portugal, and studied that in History for almost a decade. It's funny when I read their newspaper explaining what brazilians must do with our forests. They don't lose that metropolitan mind.

How do you feel when people say "Brazilians are "?

Because this is how I feel when reading "Europeans LOVE to..."

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

#80

Post by slap »

selykg wrote: post #14
RandomBacon wrote: post #5

Is this in response to BLM? I also heard a couple of years ago people were trying to rename slave harddrives to something else too (maybe "secondary"?).

Very likely in response to awareness of systemic racism in our culture. Frankly, if it makes this field and career path more welcoming to people I am absolutely fine with it.

The MBR isn't racist, nor your Master's Degree or your master bedroom.

Keep your "woke" attitude outside of IT please

Post reply on HN