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FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by maallooc »

geofft wrote: post #13
RandomBacon wrote: post #5

Is this in response to BLM? I also heard a couple of years ago people were trying to rename slave harddrives to something else too (maybe "secondary"?).

Yeah, "primary"/"secondary" is common. For hard drives "master"/"slave" isn't even an accurate metaphor, since both are driven by the host computer, it's only that the secondary is physically wired to the primary and can't use the communications channel when the primary is in operation. The primary doesn't send commands to the secondary or anything. See also this comment I wrote a couple days ago re ZFS avoiding the…

Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub. From wikipedia. Primary/secondary does not accurately depict the meaning.

>inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling

You're welcome.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by cbsks »

torstenvl wrote: post #10

This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."

If those terms bother you, feel free to open some code reviews to change them too!

Personally I don’t care either way. But if it impacts someone negatively then why not do the decent thing and change it? It’s such an easy fix.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by rvz »

How far do you want to take this? Device Drivers? Documentation? Books? Computer Science Literature?, Research Papers?

I am still waiting for someone to tell Mr Linus Torvalds or Mr Greg Kroah-Hartman to make the logical case to rename all 'offensive' words and terminology in the Linux Kernel. The same also goes for OpenBSD, if anyone else has the courage to do so in their mailing lists.

Even after we create breaking changes to software using those terms, those that are 'offended' might as well not bother reading old computer science books or research papers and force the authors to release another edition.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by maallooc »

geofft wrote: post #7
AnonForSafety wrote: post #3

When will this madness stop?

user: AnonForSafety created: 0 minutes ago user: caughtinsight created: 7 minutes ago

"Look at me, I used this site for very long time. I can't stand this newbie expressing their opinion!"

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by geofft »

maallooc wrote: post #16

As a christian with a knee injury, I'm deeply offended by their devil logo and gimp program name. As this seems to be a clear violation of their code of conduct, I will officially raise this issue to their code of conduct committee. Let's see how they respond.

Several years ago they moved from a cartoony demon logo to a more abstract red-sphere-with-two-cones logo precisely to avoid the overtones of the old image. As a fellow Christian, I figured I'd give you the heads up so that you're not lying.

I do agree with you about the name "gimp" and I hope you raise it - it should also be changed.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by haunter »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #12
torstenvl wrote: post #10

This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."

https://glimpse-editor.org/

On the other hand it's also a good example why Linux will be never a thing on desktop. So many resources divided between developers instead of working together and focusing on one thing. But that's also the case with the millions of different desktop environments and package managers and such etc. Sometimes less is more

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by maallooc »

geofft wrote: post #26
maallooc wrote: post #16

As a christian with a knee injury, I'm deeply offended by their devil logo and gimp program name. As this seems to be a clear violation of their code of conduct, I will officially raise this issue to their code of conduct committee. Let's see how they respond.

Several years ago they moved from a cartoony demon logo to a more abstract red-sphere-with-two-cones logo precisely to avoid the overtones of the old image. As a fellow Christian, I figured I'd give you the heads up so that you're not lying. I do agree with you about the name "gimp" and I hope you raise it - it should also be changed.

It does not change the fact that freebsd is under systemic daemon-ism. It's time for a change.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by geofft »

maallooc wrote: post #21
geofft wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, "primary"/"secondary" is common. For hard drives "master"/"slave" isn't even an accurate metaphor, since both are driven by the host computer, it's only that the secondary is physically wired to the primary and can't use the communications channel when the primary is in operation. The primary doesn't send commands to the secondary or anything. See also this comment I wrote a couple days ago re ZFS avoiding the…

Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub. From wikipedia. Primary/secondary does not accurately depict the meaning. >inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling You're welcome.

> Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub.

Exactly. That's why it's a bad choice of name for IDE controllers and for the main boot record, where the master does not control the slave.

> inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling

Firmly agree that we should not sacrifice accuracy over feeling. I have no sympathy for people whose feelings are hurt because they're told that "master"/"slave" terminology is inaccurate. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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