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FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by KryDos »

blastonico wrote: post #56
KryDos wrote: post #49

So as far as I understand Hans (the author) is FreeBSD maintainer and he made the change in the source code. Community isn't happy about it (based on the email thread). Is there any person who can actually revert the change ignoring Hans? How does it work in FreeBSD? I'm quite unhappy with such changes. There are terms I used to and I never thought about those terms in any way bad meaning. Are people who rename Maste…

Europeans LOVE to dictate what other people must do, pointing fingers and change everything to make them feel better about themselves. I'm from Brazil, ex-colony of Portugal, and studied that in History for almost a decade. It's funny when I read their newspaper explaining what brazilians must do with our forests. They don't lose that metropolitan mind.

It's really disappointing. Is there anything we, as a community, can do about all these strange changes?

Unfortunately by trying to not offend some people such changes offend others. Such changes are controversial and hence should be voted for.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by blastonico »

CharlesW wrote: post #54
maallooc wrote: post #16

As a christian with a knee injury, I'm deeply offended by their devil logo and gimp program name. As this seems to be a clear violation of their code of conduct, I will officially raise this issue to their code of conduct committee. Let's see how they respond.

As a former Christian (you should capitalize that) who was raised in religious schools, pictures of the devil and the word "demon" aren't offensive. "Devils are one of the most common mascots throughout American sports. This can likely be attributed to Christian beliefs being the most common of religions in the U.S." [1] If anyone should be offended it's the Church of Satan, but they don't mind. As for "gimp", you're…

> As for "gimp", you're right...

Are you the person who says who can and who cannot feel offended?

I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil (let's say we're about 150 millions). Unless you meant that only Christians from US should be considered.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by salawat »

selykg wrote: post #50
cczizou wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed.

Given the downvotes I’m getting I think this industry is a lot more racist than I thought.

No, it has nothing to do with race. It has to do with introducing politics, racism, and your personal social commentary into a field or topic area in which that has no relevance, and in which everyone is getting along just fine.

It's looking at hard drives and calling everyone who has used terminology you think might offend someone racist through passive voice.

Paint with broad strokes, and you should not be surprised to get blowback. Walk in and start calling everyone around you closet racists without any real justification other than word choice, and to be frank, you should be thankful you don't get a worse response than you do.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by KryDos »

selykg wrote: post #58
geofft wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good news is that the downvotes aren't necessarily representative of the industry , in the sense of people who actually get things done. You'll notice that this change (see also the bit about being sponsored by Mellanox), the recent OpenZFS change, etc. were all made by core contributors to the projects. (It's also why the Contributor Covenant was fairly rapidly adopted by the actual contributors to so many proje…

The response to this is actually making me not want to even be a member of this site anymore. Amazing. What a sad group of people.

Unfortunately, I can't understand why people who downvote and don't agree with you are considered racist. They just have different opinion and they probably affected by the rename in the same way as someone may be affected by word "Master" for example.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by bm3719 »

I remember reading a few amusing stories about a certain category of the public offended by the FreeBSD logo, as far back as the late 90s at least. Here's one of them: https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2011-Novemb...

Now we're the puritans, demanding not to be offended.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by cassianoleal »

blastonico wrote: post #63
CharlesW wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a former Christian (you should capitalize that) who was raised in religious schools, pictures of the devil and the word "demon" aren't offensive. "Devils are one of the most common mascots throughout American sports. This can likely be attributed to Christian beliefs being the most common of religions in the U.S." [1] If anyone should be offended it's the Church of Satan, but they don't mind. As for "gimp", you're…

> As for "gimp", you're right... Are you the person who says who can and who cannot feel offended? I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil (let's say we're about 150 millions). Unless you meant that only Christians from US should be considered.

As a fellow Brazilian who was not only brought up in a Christian family but have lived most of my life amongst a majority Christian population, I question that since I've never seen anyone being offended by pictures of the devil.

Unless you mean that only Christians from your part of Brazil should be considered.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by CharlesW »

blastonico wrote: post #63
CharlesW wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a former Christian (you should capitalize that) who was raised in religious schools, pictures of the devil and the word "demon" aren't offensive. "Devils are one of the most common mascots throughout American sports. This can likely be attributed to Christian beliefs being the most common of religions in the U.S." [1] If anyone should be offended it's the Church of Satan, but they don't mind. As for "gimp", you're…

> As for "gimp", you're right... Are you the person who says who can and who cannot feel offended? I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil (let's say we're about 150 millions). Unless you meant that only Christians from US should be considered.

> I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil…

I'd find that surprising. Images of the devil have been a mainstay of Christian art for centuries (e.g. "The Temptation of Christ by the Devil"). The devil is also the mascot of two Brazilian football teams.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by blastonico »

cassianoleal wrote: post #68
blastonico wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As for "gimp", you're right... Are you the person who says who can and who cannot feel offended? I can assert that pictures of the devil are offensive for Christians from Brazil (let's say we're about 150 millions). Unless you meant that only Christians from US should be considered.

As a fellow Brazilian who was not only brought up in a Christian family but have lived most of my life amongst a majority Christian population, I question that since I've never seen anyone being offended by pictures of the devil. Unless you mean that only Christians from your part of Brazil should be considered.

Hmm, that's strange. I was born and raised by a very conservative Catholic family in Piracicaba/SP -> Juazeiro do Norte/CE -> Piracicaba/SP. I used to be a rocker weirdo that was often scolded by the local community due to my shirts. Catechism classes were a disaster, even that devil woman silhouette with a pointing tail was criticized.

Anyway, even if my experience is actually an exception and even if those conservative Christian people are minorities, would it be ok to offend them?

I mean, I absolutely don't care. But, now that we're revisiting everything to be as political correct as possible, couldn't we change a picture - that is offensive to a minority - to something else?

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