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FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by geofft »

maallooc wrote: post #35
geofft wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub. Exactly. That's why it's a bad choice of name for IDE controllers and for the main boot record, where the master does not control the slave. > inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling Firmly agree that we should not sacrifice accuracy ov…

Actually it makes sense because the slave always ask the master whether they're currently communicating with the controller. Master boot record also, because the program from the record controls the boot process of associated partitions.

Oh, sorry, you're right - when a slave wants to go talk to someone, he can do so at any time as long as the master isn't currently talking to someone. And the slave gets no orders from the master, both the master and the slave get orders from someone else.

And yes, the master makes no decisions on his own, the master simply sees which of the slaves has indicated that he wishes to be passed control, and then the master passes all control onto that slave and leaves.

I completely forgot what slavery means. I thought that slavery meant that masters controlled the slaves and the slaves didn't have freedom. Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by geofft »

maallooc wrote: post #39
geofft wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why yes, I do in fact believe that the people who contribute to FreeBSD (and OpenZFS and so forth) should be able to develop FreeBSD in the way they want and that we can disregard the opinions of anonymous outsiders.

Ouch, but didn't they adopt a code of conduct that they be "welcoming" and "respectful" (of other opinions)? Your belief seems to directly contradict their coc.

No - the CoC says nothing about being welcoming or respectful of other opinions, just of people.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by maallooc »

geofft wrote: post #41
maallooc wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it makes sense because the slave always ask the master whether they're currently communicating with the controller. Master boot record also, because the program from the record controls the boot process of associated partitions.

Oh, sorry, you're right - when a slave wants to go talk to someone, he can do so at any time as long as the master isn't currently talking to someone. And the slave gets no orders from the master, both the master and the slave get orders from someone else. And yes, the master makes no decisions on his own, the master simply sees which of the slaves has indicated that he wishes to be passed control, and then the maste…

I'm glad you got it. Because the behavior is similar to slavery in humanity, it's named that. You're not saying we should eliminate slavery-like behavior in computing, right?

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by marcinzm »

torstenvl wrote: post #37
marcinzm wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You miss the point. This isn't about offensive language. This is about language that conveys exclusion of marginalized groups. To view this as a case of people being offended does a disservice to the overall social issues these groups deal with.

You seem to be saying that master boot record "conveys exclusion of marginalized groups" but gimp (an offensive term for someone who is physically disabled) does not. I don't initially come to the same conclusion as you on this. Would you be willing to talk me through your thought process?

You gave multiple examples many of which were not about marginalized groups. It's clear that your problem was offense and not marginalized groups. Thus my comment.

Gimp is also not used in the context of someone who is disabled while master is used in the context of something which is in control. But personally I do feel gimp should be renamed as well.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by amw-zero »

geofft wrote: post #26
maallooc wrote: post #16

As a christian with a knee injury, I'm deeply offended by their devil logo and gimp program name. As this seems to be a clear violation of their code of conduct, I will officially raise this issue to their code of conduct committee. Let's see how they respond.

Several years ago they moved from a cartoony demon logo to a more abstract red-sphere-with-two-cones logo precisely to avoid the overtones of the old image. As a fellow Christian, I figured I'd give you the heads up so that you're not lying. I do agree with you about the name "gimp" and I hope you raise it - it should also be changed.

There’s no reason it should be changed. Feel free to name your own projects whatever you like, but don’t impose your tyranny on other people as if it’s the only way to be a healthy and respectful person.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by maallooc »

geofft wrote: post #43
maallooc wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, but didn't they adopt a code of conduct that they be "welcoming" and "respectful" (of other opinions)? Your belief seems to directly contradict their coc.

No - the CoC says nothing about being welcoming or respectful of other opinions , just of people .

"When we disagree, try to understand why. Disagreements, both social and technical, happen all the time and FreeBSD is no exception. It is important that we resolve disagreements and differing views constructively. [...] Being unable to understand why someone holds a viewpoint doesn't mean that they're wrong."

Yeah, I'm sure they tell their people to be respectful of others' opinions.

"Remember that we're different. The strength of FreeBSD comes from its varied community, people from a wide range of backgrounds. Different people have different perspectives on issues. "

And welcoming too.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by KryDos »

So as far as I understand Hans (the author) is FreeBSD maintainer and he made the change in the source code. Community isn't happy about it (based on the email thread).

Is there any person who can actually revert the change ignoring Hans? How does it work in FreeBSD?

I'm quite unhappy with such changes. There are terms I used to and I never thought about those terms in any way bad meaning. Are people who rename Master to Main latent racist? Why, by reading "Master", they think about slavery?

It would be much better if we vote for such changes. Maybe give voice only to people who potentially may be offended by such words. Hans doesn't look as a person who can be offended by word Master though...

Very sad tendency is happening.

Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”

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Post by selykg »

cczizou wrote: post #20
selykg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very likely in response to awareness of systemic racism in our culture. Frankly, if it makes this field and career path more welcoming to people I am absolutely fine with it.

Agreed.

Given the downvotes I’m getting I think this industry is a lot more racist than I thought.
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