When will this madness stop?
user: AnonForSafety created: 0 minutes ago user: caughtinsight created: 7 minutes ago
My previous comment was about madness. Your reply and the fact that it was immediately flagged prove my point perfectly. So thank you.
FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
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Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#32This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."
I feel like living in a big South Park episode.
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
user: AnonForSafety created: 0 minutes ago user: caughtinsight created: 7 minutes ago
"Look at me, I used this site for very long time. I can't stand this newbie expressing their opinion!"
Why yes, I do in fact believe that the people who contribute to FreeBSD (and OpenZFS and so forth) should be able to develop FreeBSD in the way they want and that we can disregard the opinions of anonymous outsiders.
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#34This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."
If those terms bother you, feel free to open some code reviews to change them too! Personally I don’t care either way. But if it impacts someone negatively then why not do the decent thing and change it? It’s such an easy fix.
Who was negatively impacted by the term "master boot record" before? Can you point to even one tweet or blog post before a month ago where someone said that it bothered them and made them feel excluded?
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub. From wikipedia. Primary/secondary does not accurately depict the meaning. >inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling You're welcome.
> Master/slave is a model of asymmetric communication or control where one device or process controls one or more other devices or processes and serves as their communication hub. Exactly. That's why it's a bad choice of name for IDE controllers and for the main boot record, where the master does not control the slave. > inb4 we can sacrifice accuracy over feeling Firmly agree that we should not sacrifice accuracy ov…
Actually it makes sense because the slave always ask the master whether they're currently communicating with the controller. Master boot record also, because the program from the record controls the boot process of associated partitions.
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#36How far do you want to take this? Device Drivers? Documentation? Books? Computer Science Literature?, Research Papers? I am still waiting for someone to tell Mr Linus Torvalds or Mr Greg Kroah-Hartman to make the logical case to rename all 'offensive' words and terminology in the Linux Kernel. The same also goes for OpenBSD, if anyone else has the courage to do so in their mailing lists. Even after we create breaking…
All of those sound like great goals! But incremental progress is still worthwhile.
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#37This is absolute craziness, especially when far more offensive terms are used throughout (the devil logo, demons, gimp, git, execute, terminal, disabled). "The gimp executable" is far far more off-sounding then "master boot record."
You miss the point. This isn't about offensive language. This is about language that conveys exclusion of marginalized groups. To view this as a case of people being offended does a disservice to the overall social issues these groups deal with.
You seem to be saying that master boot record "conveys exclusion of marginalized groups" but gimp (an offensive term for someone who is physically disabled) does not. I don't initially come to the same conclusion as you on this. Would you be willing to talk me through your thought process?
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#38The two initial letters are the same.
We cannot attain Justice while still using the same language, and indeed, alphabet.
But as long as this is a technical forum, have we reconsidered numbers? Haven't 0 and 1 and the rest of mathematical thinking been dominated by men?
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Look at me, I used this site for very long time. I can't stand this newbie expressing their opinion!"
Why yes, I do in fact believe that the people who contribute to FreeBSD (and OpenZFS and so forth) should be able to develop FreeBSD in the way they want and that we can disregard the opinions of anonymous outsiders.
Ouch, but didn't they adopt a code of conduct that they be "welcoming" and "respectful" (of other opinions)? Your belief seems to directly contradict their coc.
Re: FreeBSD Renames “Master Boot Record” to “Main Boot Record”
#40Some replies later:
>Please revert. Another part if the guidance was that industry standard terms should be used until the industry renames them. This makes FreeBSD unique for no good reason.
Good point!
https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-ha...