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Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by dredmorbius » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #38

speeder wrote: post #32

I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. My current business is heavily Google reliant, and Google been proving to be a very poor business partner: * Keeps punishing my site both in organic rank and AdWords rank (thus price) for not being mobile, despite my site being intended to be viewed by engineers with big scr…

> I honestly don't know why so many governments with strong antimonopoly laws tolerate Google shenanigans. To build an anti-monopoly case you would have to do more than show that Google was the only good ad vendor. Are they the only ones that can give you clicks because they are smarter and better at their jobs than every other ad vendor, or are they the only ones that can give you clicks because of underhanded marke…

Reading the FTC's definition of monopolization is strongly encouraged. It's more nuanced than is generally understood:

As a first step, courts ask if the firm has "monopoly power" in any market. This requires in-depth study of the products sold by the leading firm, and any alternative products consumers may turn to if the firm attempted to raise prices. Then courts ask if that leading position was gained or maintained through improper conduct—that is, something other than merely having a better product, superior management or historic accident.... Courts do not require a literal monopoly before applying rules for single firm conduct; that term is used as shorthand for a firm with significant and durable market power.... Exclusionary or predatory acts may include such things as exclusive supply or purchase agreements; tying; predatory pricing; or refusal to deal....

https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/competition-guidance/guide-a...

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by lunchables » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

rahuldottech wrote: post #7

> As fewer results of such not-for-profit websites show up in Google Search, competition will be reintroduced to the search market. I don't think it will. While I personally hate AMP, and disagree with many of Google's practices, this is not the solution. Google is everywhere . It is the default search engine on almost every browser, as well as on most devices. How often do you hear someone say "look it up" as oppose…

>There's a reason Bing and Yahoo are treated as a joke.

Just in case you weren't aware:

>On July 29, 2009, Microsoft and Yahoo! announced a deal in which Bing would henceforth power Yahoo! Search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by jammygit » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

If he’s going offline from search, he should create an rss or mail list. I didn’t see where to subscribe, so honestly I will probably forget his site exists in a week...

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by buboard » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:14 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #38

speeder wrote: post #32

I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. My current business is heavily Google reliant, and Google been proving to be a very poor business partner: * Keeps punishing my site both in organic rank and AdWords rank (thus price) for not being mobile, despite my site being intended to be viewed by engineers with big scr…

> I honestly don't know why so many governments with strong antimonopoly laws tolerate Google shenanigans. To build an anti-monopoly case you would have to do more than show that Google was the only good ad vendor. Are they the only ones that can give you clicks because they are smarter and better at their jobs than every other ad vendor, or are they the only ones that can give you clicks because of underhanded marke…

Yeah the monopoly case is difficult and probably a distraction. We need to give their competitors more attention - most of their competitors have given up through the years, especially in the ads space.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by popee » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

bhartzer wrote: post #4

Just to be clear, there is a mistake in this post. Adding a noindex tag will cause google to not display the page in their search results. They will still crawl ( they have to), in order to see that directive. Also, keep in mind that google has recently changed the way they deal with robots.txt. So they only way to do what the author is suggesting is to add the noindex meta tag and let them crawl. Once they are remov…

Yeah, just reject any access from their subnets

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by speeder » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #55

speeder wrote: post #32

I am currently struggling with Google and been even considering just straight up creating a Brazilian "Yandex/Baidu" clone or something somehow. My current business is heavily Google reliant, and Google been proving to be a very poor business partner: * Keeps punishing my site both in organic rank and AdWords rank (thus price) for not being mobile, despite my site being intended to be viewed by engineers with big scr…

Only thing I don't tried yet is more traditional ads, but I don't have money for that (for example TV ads) When people think "advertising" they often think TV first. But you might be surprised how reasonable some advertising rates can be for radio (especially classical radio sponsorships and news radio), regional and local newspapers, and certain magazines. A web site I used to own advertised with AdSense for a year.…

I replied this in other comment, but here even that got google enroached...

The magazine that is popular on my field now focuses mostly on online ads, and they use adsense, so to buyads on the magazine you need to use adwords platform to do so.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by delfinom » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #58

whatshisface wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I honestly don't know why so many governments with strong antimonopoly laws tolerate Google shenanigans. To build an anti-monopoly case you would have to do more than show that Google was the only good ad vendor. Are they the only ones that can give you clicks because they are smarter and better at their jobs than every other ad vendor, or are they the only ones that can give you clicks because of underhanded marke…

Yes but there's a network effect here. If Google owns all the billboards in town, then you can't really find a better advertisement platform, no matter how skilled they are.

But Google isn't owning the billboards. The billboards elect to choose Google. Why is Google being punished? Shouldn't the billboard owners instead be fined?

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by phkahler » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

rahuldottech wrote: post #7

> As fewer results of such not-for-profit websites show up in Google Search, competition will be reintroduced to the search market. I don't think it will. While I personally hate AMP, and disagree with many of Google's practices, this is not the solution. Google is everywhere . It is the default search engine on almost every browser, as well as on most devices. How often do you hear someone say "look it up" as oppose…

Google is losing value as a search engine. It's great for finding facts but its shit for finding fun. That's really my impression of the internet as a whole lately - there's nothing left of a noncommercial nature.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by wysifnwyg » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:18 PM UTC

rangeofmotion wrote: post #39

I really wonder about the people who work at Google. Surely they have people whose ideals are higher than this? It seems obvious that Google is a real threat to the freedom the internet originally made possible. But engineers still sign up in droves to work there? What kind of engineers are these? Do all of Google's employees simply disagree that Google is a threat? Do they not care? Are they just financially scared…

They're people who value the rewards reaped by working there more. The prestige from working at a business like this can make positive impacts far beyond the period of your employment there. Heck, just getting to in person interviews are statistically rare and an indication of exceptional ability.

Re: Dear Google, I'm Blocking You from My Website

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Post by ptconroy » Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 5:18 PM UTC

sverige wrote: post #70

rangeofmotion wrote: post #39

I really wonder about the people who work at Google. Surely they have people whose ideals are higher than this? It seems obvious that Google is a real threat to the freedom the internet originally made possible. But engineers still sign up in droves to work there? What kind of engineers are these? Do all of Google's employees simply disagree that Google is a threat? Do they not care? Are they just financially scared…

You might be amazed how easy it is to rationalize such concerns away for $250k (or more) per year. The first sentence of the internal response of a Googler will be, "You don't understand."

. . . and the marketability and prestige of having Google on your resume.