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Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by threeseed »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #52
dmix wrote: post #8

You could hear a gasp in the crowd when they listed $999 for the stand alone. Apple is certainly pushing themselves up-market with this one.

"Pro" Fairly predictable. Commodified tablets for consumers, laptops for developers (still working on that...), hugely expensive thoroughbred (status symbol) hardware for professional content creators with professional budgets. Problem is, there's much more money in the prosumer niche than there is at the high end. For every successful LA movie score composer there are thousands, even tens of thousands, of bedroom DA…

Prosumers will get more than enough power from an iMac Pro or MacBook Pro.

Not sure why you want the Mac Pro to be dumbed down for non-professionals.

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Post by qblv »

I have been waiting to buy a monitor for a while and knew apple was up to something. It looks like Apple totally nailed it but this is way too expensive.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by opencl »

geophile wrote: post #51
dlivingston wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not for consumers. This is for AV industry professionals whose companies are footing the bill. Apple has, rightly, been under fire lately for forgetting about the pro market. This display, in the context of the presentation, is intended to demonstrate that their professional focus is back.

I am not an AV industry professional. Are there competitive displays now? How much do they cost?

This is a pretty unique monitor. There are very few monitors available over 4K and none that I'm aware of with this level of brightness/dynamic range.

The LG UltraFine 5K which has sort of been the de facto "Apple monitor" over the past few years since they stopped making their own is $1300.

Dell has a 32" 8K wide gamut color accurate monitor (UP3218K) which is higher resolution but doesn't get anywhere near as bright. MSRP is $3900, it currently sells for $3400 and includes a stand.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by josho »

ihuman wrote: post #21
mikestew wrote: post #5

I'm hearing that the LG displays were running out of stock, possibly in anticipation of a new Apple display. Sure enough...wait a minute, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS?! Oh, I understand it's a reference-quality, blah, blah, blah, but I just need something to replace an aging Cinema display that was originally $1000. The fucking stand for the new display costs that much (note the audience response when that price popped on t…

Why not just buy a 4K monitor from another company?

I have an Apple Thunderbolt Display and a generic 4k. The Apple display powers on instantly, the speakers are fantastic, it functions as a dock, and I can control brightness from the keyboard. The generic 4k display has none of those benefits, oh and I can't seem to get accurate colors.

I was prepared to buy a new Apple display today knowing that it would be quality in all those aspects. Instead it'll be trial and error to discover a good monitor that works as well as Apple's aging thunderbolt display.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by sirn »

dllu wrote: post #56
sirn wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EIZO is definitely great, but 4K EIZO screens ain't exactly cheap either. Closest to consumer-level are the CG248-4K and CG318-4K (which actually are reference-grade) and cost about $2,800.

The consumer-level Flexscan series are much cheaper. The EV3285, for example, is retailing for $1800 on BHPhoto.

Ah, I totally forgot about Flexscan. They're definitely more suitable for consumer than ColorEdge. I think I didn't considered it because it doesn't have DCI-P3, but it is definitely a great monitor.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by gipp »

Areading314 wrote: post #35

Starting $11000 for a Mac Pro plus display That's a bargain compared to the LISA, which was only $25k adjusted for inflation! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa

Don't forget the extra grand for a static hunk of aluminum to put it on.

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by mxfh »

klodolph wrote: post #45
mxfh wrote: post #25

How do reference and fancy FALD (Full Array Local Dimming) do even go in the same sentence? Just give the people a OLED panel subscription instead of this LED unifomity nightmare waiting to happen.

Are there OLED panels available with this size and pixel density? My understanding is also that OLED panels currently can suffer a bit from burn-in, or at least color stability problems, which is a no-go for reference monitors.

That what I meant, a built in calibration arm/camera unit plus easily replacable panel w/o driver unit might have been a killer feature. But replaceable and Apple don't mix.

To me this looks like a overengineered consumer device, with insane macro-scale part count and failures/uniformity issues just waiting to happen. Besides local contrast issues with in a LED driven pixel area and the borders between them. You can do this, but comparing it reference class seems quite the claim to live up to.

The $40k Sony device mentioned is OLED btw.

https://www.apple.com/105/media/us/pro-display-xdr/2019/1e43...

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by threeseed »

geophile wrote: post #51
dlivingston wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not for consumers. This is for AV industry professionals whose companies are footing the bill. Apple has, rightly, been under fire lately for forgetting about the pro market. This display, in the context of the presentation, is intended to demonstrate that their professional focus is back.

I am not an AV industry professional. Are there competitive displays now? How much do they cost?

High end reference monitor is $30k.

https://pro.sony/en_FI/products/broadcastpromonitors/bvm-hx3...

Re: Apple Pro Display XDR

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Post by LegoBlockShell »

minimaxir wrote: post #7
mikestew wrote: post #5

I'm hearing that the LG displays were running out of stock, possibly in anticipation of a new Apple display. Sure enough...wait a minute, FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS?! Oh, I understand it's a reference-quality, blah, blah, blah, but I just need something to replace an aging Cinema display that was originally $1000. The fucking stand for the new display costs that much (note the audience response when that price popped on t…

The 4k LG display was updated/rereleased: https://9to5mac.com/2019/05/24/lg-ultrafine-display-review-2... The 5k LG display is still MIA and there isn't a competitor. (and as someone who bought a 5K LG display on release, I'm surprised that's still the case)

There was a firmware update for the LG Screen Manager that stated "additional monitor model (24MD4KL, 27MD5KL) (internal logic was changed)". This monitor is on the Apple website here https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HMUA2/lg-ultrafine-4k-dis... that's the 24MD4KL-B.AUSA. Probably just waiting for the new Ultrafine 5K displays to arrive, these panels are difficult to manufacture.

It also explains why Apple didn't do a 27" Apple Pro Display XDR and just went ahead with the 32". They still intend on having the LG monitors as "budget" mainstream options. If you look at the design of the Apple Pro Display XDR it's obvious LG was involved in it's design and manufacturing. Even the USB-C port placement is identical to the 4K/5K just on the other side.

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