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Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

#71
Seems intuitive to me-- anything you ingest into your body has potential for harm. We pay a price every time we take something in.

Vaping and marijuana are two hot topics these days. They're less costly than tobacco and alcohol, but are certainly not free.

In the end, we all decide how to spend our lives. Some pleasures are worth the cost, others are not.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

#73

I applaud that they state it's still safer than regular cigarettes. I gifted a friend who is a smoker with an e-cig package. A couple of months later he is still smoking cigarettes as he thinks these may be more dangerous..

Fear of the unknown. We still don't know the long term effects, so he may be on to something. Also it's pretty crazy to put a battery that close to your face regularly. I know only a few have exploded, but the risk of that alone would deter me.

>it's pretty crazy to put a battery that close to your face regularly

Well... Do you ever answer the phone?

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Off-topic: What did you end up replacing vaping for to help manage your ADHD? Or have you not found/(considered looking for) a replacement?

Firstly, I'm prescribed Vyvanse, which I find helps a lot — it's certainly my primary treatment method. I viewed the nicotine as a smaller, as-needed aid in persevering through long projects. When I stopped (because I had my wisdom teeth extracted), I used a nicotine patch for a few weeks; however, I eventually found that simply being a little more physically active helped enough that I no longer feel the need for th…

Your story sounds much like mine - I took up vaping when I didn't have access to Vyvanse (between jobs). It helps, but I found I liked it enough to continue.

These days I use 6mg/ml juice, and use ~5ml per day on average. I've not found any real negative effects after about a year. I go increase and decrease my intake periodically, and the worst effect I've had is a "stuffy" feeling in the morning when I hadn't vaped anything the evening before. Even that doesn't seem to happen when I'm in a period of decreased usage; I've stopped for a day or two before and didn't really notice.

FWIW, nicotine does work as a cognitive stimulant, at least for me. It's nowhere near as powerful as Vyvanse, but it's effective enough that it helps me "get back in the flow" when I'm not interested in something but need to get it done.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

#75

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This is not a position that can be taken by people who intend to publish research under their own names. It'd be akin to signing a confession.

Correct. This is exactly what I wouldn't care about. You first create it and then you let it evolve on its own. Like Bitcoin. Anonymously.

Unpublished anonymous illegal drug research isn't exactly in short supply. Credibility is.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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More than smoking damages it?

They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. - What annoys me, though, is that while cigarettes are banned on most public places here (in France), people tend to use e-cigarette anywhere from work (open…

Can we get automobiles to stop driving in our public spaces too?

Those are orders of magnitude worse than second-hand “chemicals” (VOCs?) from someone vaping.

While we are at it, let’s get rid of perfumes, deodorants, and body sprays. Also air fresheners and scented candles, pesticides, furniture flame retardants, dry-cleaned suits, many cleaning products, white-board markers, permanent markers, and everything else that off-gasses “chemicals”.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

#77
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Key point from the article: "Any smoker considering e-cigarettes should switch completely without delay."

Or: You could just survive 24 hours without smoking, after which physical challenge is over. From there on it is just a fight against your brain, and also being aware of the root issue that made you pickup smoking. - ex-smoker

Why the downvotes? I was a smoker for twenty years, this is exactly how I quit smoking.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

#78

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Or: You could just survive 24 hours without smoking, after which physical challenge is over. From there on it is just a fight against your brain, and also being aware of the root issue that made you pickup smoking. - ex-smoker

Why the downvotes? I was a smoker for twenty years, this is exactly how I quit smoking.

If you have not spoken about this with other people who have quit/are quitting, you should.

If you have spoken about quitting with other people who have quit or are still quitting, you would have found out that it is much harder for them than what you are proposing. That, or some vanishingly small chance was hit and you have only people around you who found quitting easy but somehow still smoked a lot before doing so.

Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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It's a good phenomenon, but it has nothing to do with the health effects of vaping. Bringing it up just muddles the waters. If a bunch of people switched from crack cocaine to cigarettes, would that warrant bringing it up every time a study came out about tobacco-related cancer?

A bit different, in that the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes. So the fact that they're still considered preferable to real cigarettes is relevant.

> the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes

What makes you think that? Juul didn't get it's crazy valuation because of old smokers. People that care more about money than lives are putting money into it because they are hooking teens.

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And it is known by the state of California to give cancer to rats - just like anything else in California

I've never understood the point of those signs that say "Some products in this store are known by the State of California to cause cancer". What is the law that requires them to tell customers they are at risk but not have to disclose which items put them at risk?

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/health-and-safety-code/hsc-sect...
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