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Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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Re: Vaping 'can damage vital immune system cells'

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No, according to TFA, but I don't see how that's relevant.

From what I understand, some people have switched from smoking to vaping. Harm reduction and whatnot. Seems bit relevant no?

It's a good phenomenon, but it has nothing to do with the health effects of vaping. Bringing it up just muddles the waters. If a bunch of people switched from crack cocaine to cigarettes, would that warrant bringing it up every time a study came out about tobacco-related cancer?

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No, according to TFA, but I don't see how that's relevant.

From what I understand, some people have switched from smoking to vaping. Harm reduction and whatnot. Seems bit relevant no?

I think your age might go into how relevant you think it is. I grew up with and around a lot of smokers. My teenaged kids are surrounded by people vaping. To me the relative harm seems relevant, to them it probably isn't.

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In this experiment, vapor "caused inflammation" and "impaired the activity of alveolar macrophages, cells that remove potentially damaging dust particles, bacteria and allergens."

So it's not great for lung function, but sounds orders of magnitude less bad for you than smoking cigarettes.

Anecdotally, I quit vaping recently, as I'd grown frustrated with the 'chasing the dragon' aspect (I was using its stimulant properties to help manage my ADHD). I now find I get winded much less easily and generally have a little more energy, which I've attributed to slightly improved lung function.

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I've been wondering about the safety of vaping. Glad to see it's not as bad as smoking (a low bar) but will still kill you.

> Glad to see it's not as bad as smoking (a low bar) but will still kill you. I think inhaling anything into your lungs will probably affect them negatively. But it wouldn't surprise me if vaping was healthier than LA (or Beijing) air. Everything in moderation.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/no-the-econo...

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More than smoking damages it?

They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. - What annoys me, though, is that while cigarettes are banned on most public places here (in France), people tend to use e-cigarette anywhere from work (open…

>The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand, some people have switched from smoking to vaping. Harm reduction and whatnot. Seems bit relevant no?

It's a good phenomenon, but it has nothing to do with the health effects of vaping. Bringing it up just muddles the waters. If a bunch of people switched from crack cocaine to cigarettes, would that warrant bringing it up every time a study came out about tobacco-related cancer?

A bit different, in that the primary use of e-cigarettes is for giving up proper cigarettes. So the fact that they're still considered preferable to real cigarettes is relevant.

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They don't mention immune system cells specifically, but they do say vaping is still much less harmful > However, Public Health England advises they are much less harmful than smoking and people should not hesitate to use them as an aid to giving up cigarettes. - What annoys me, though, is that while cigarettes are banned on most public places here (in France), people tend to use e-cigarette anywhere from work (open…

>The review concluded there was "overwhelming evidence" they were far safer than smoking and "of negligible risk to bystanders"

Remember the days when people were smoking in offices, univs, hospitals, etc? Vaping is 100x less disgusting, less harmful. I see people vaping and it doesn't smell, they don't leave ashes and butts everywhere and it doesn't bother me at all. The second hand nicotine vapor is not "a thing" unless you go to a room where a visible cloud of e-cigs vapor is present. I think we are much better off with people vaping than smoking. The only problem is that kids might start vaping because a lot of these juices are fruit flavored.

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One thing I'm confused about with vaping:

There is plenty of information about vaping w/ e-cigarettes. The negative effects and what not.

However this information is not extended to vaping marijuana. I understand that e-cigs use oil/liquid of some sort. In the marijuana world there is dry herb vaping (heating the plant until it vaporizes), oil, wax, etc. I imagine some of the e-cig issues extends to marijuana for oil and wax perhaps but does dry herb suffer the same consequences.

I've tried researching this information but usually all the comes up are "e-cigs are bad" or "vaping vs smoking marijuana" articles. It would seem marijuana is relatively hush hush in this category.

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