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Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#71

Def time for Google/Amazon/Facebook to have some real competition in Europe. Can’t let the Chinese do all the work.

There was this company, how it was called, erm, ah I know: Nokia. It was the dominant force in fastest growing industry. For some reason they decided to become a headless chicken for some US corp, who knows why?

That's the short version of any EU-based competition to US companies in software. Dreams don't correspond to reality.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#72

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So we’ve reached the point where hagiography of corporations is now the same thing as culture? In that case, I hope Google doesn’t bring its “culture” of colluding with competitors to fix wages to Berlin.

The book has a detailed accounting of the type of culture the founders and executives were intentioning. It is not an unbiased source of information and should be read with discretion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_(disambiguation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_culture

Might as well bring up the Jamaican reggae group or the Canadian rapper named "Culture", too.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#73
post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

One is a tax dodging multinational, the other are human beings.

You're missing the point entirely.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#74
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> Instead of a nice friendly “campus” we see a Google farm for harvesting Kreuzberg’s brains and talents, or a Google mine in which ideas and data will be extracted out of Berlin It's simply not a zero sum game. Google will bring culture and resources with it that could enhance Berlin.

That’s up to the people of Berlin to decide, not a faceless American tech company.

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Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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That's not what they're saying. They don't want Google specifically, for reasons they detail in-depth on their website. Being welcoming to everyone doesn't really work, or otherwise we wouldn't have prisons. Being open-minded is a two way street, remember.

I don't know if you live in the area (I only work there), but this is a recurring pattern that has happened quite a few times over the last years, not only to Google. Everything that is a. wealthy and b. from abroad will receive instant hatred. I talked to a few of these people and unfortunately it's only a very short way to conspiracy theories and open antisemitism surfacing. If you show up being German and wealthy,…

These patterns are likely to happen in times of extreme wealth inequality. Many people point the finger at Google and the like, and they may have a good case.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#76
post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

I think you might be missing the bigger picture. 5 years ago these views would not have found any traction because nearly everyone loved Google. The general level of hatred in the community towards Google has increased significantly in that time. In my estimation this is due entirely to Google's own behavior since Sundar Pichai became CEO. When your CEO has an inability to resolve conflict in the direction of positiv…

I honestly doubt that any other CEO would have made any difference.

Google's business model is fundamentally based on data mining as much as possible about their users, and what's changed in the past couple years is (a) a much greater awareness of the potential negative consequences of this data collection and (b) the sense that the American internet giants are becoming unstoppable juggernauts.

The hate against Google was inevitable.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

That's not what they're saying. They don't want Google specifically, for reasons they detail in-depth on their website. Being welcoming to everyone doesn't really work, or otherwise we wouldn't have prisons. Being open-minded is a two way street, remember.

People could list all sorts of reasons they don't want specific types of people. That doesn't mean they're right.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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Poorly represented information (lack of links to proper sources, and use of profane language), but there is content worth discussing about.

Would Google's entry to Berlin trigger a rise of inequality for the city's inhabitants and make life difficult for everyone that is not working for Google? (for example private Google buses for their employees in San Francisco)

Also a company that is morally a bad one in the public eye, with all the data collection, appearance in NSA revelation, is not something that the citizens of a city would NOT protest...

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#80
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what they're saying. They don't want Google specifically, for reasons they detail in-depth on their website. Being welcoming to everyone doesn't really work, or otherwise we wouldn't have prisons. Being open-minded is a two way street, remember.

People could list all sorts of reasons they don't want specific types of people. That doesn't mean they're right.

It doesn't mean they're automatically wrong, either. Not sure you're saying much. They created a whole website to outline their argument.
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