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Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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> Instead of a nice friendly “campus” we see a Google farm for harvesting Kreuzberg’s brains and talents, or a Google mine in which ideas and data will be extracted out of Berlin It's simply not a zero sum game. Google will bring culture and resources with it that could enhance Berlin.

What culture could Google bring to Berlin?

Discrimination against white or asian men.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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What culture could Google bring to Berlin?

As a person from post-Communist country where this argument ("offices of big corporations in your area will bring culture, resources, and set you free") is used all the time by everyone from media, politicians, to employees, I find this hilarious. Obey.

The argument being made is that Google will impart value onto Berlin while receiving value from the people of Berlin. I never claimed them to be a panacea.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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I think the author is correct in thinking that Google will cause him discomfort by creating this campus. Everyone in this area not employed by Google will have to move because Google is basically buying the land, directly or through its employees.

Some of Google's money will flow to locals not directly employed by Google, but will this offset the increased cost of their living expenses?

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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What culture could Google bring to Berlin?

There are tons of books written about Google's culture, but my favorite is ”How Google Works” by Eric Schmidt and Jonathan Rosenberg.

Geez, "culture" on how to be a corporation. How relevant to the residents of a community.

I can't complain, I'm also just a yuppie whom Kreuzberger would probably hate, but if their claim about the tax regime is correct, then what's the point of attracting a cancer that would just make everything in your area more expensive...

I'm reminded of John Oliver's segment about tax incentives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bl19RoR7lc

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#55
post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

That's not what they're saying. They don't want Google specifically, for reasons they detail in-depth on their website. Being welcoming to everyone doesn't really work, or otherwise we wouldn't have prisons.

Being open-minded is a two way street, remember.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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post #27

Just like people repeatedly breaking the windows of a coffee shop nearby because the owners are "bankers from London" (this was stated as the #1 selling point for boycot in a flyer) this entire movement exposes the worst Kreuzberg has to offer: an incredibly self-righteous xenophobia. People think they are so incredibly open minded when they are pro refugees, but as soon as it's the "wrong kind of Ausländer" (the one…

I think you might be missing the bigger picture. 5 years ago these views would not have found any traction because nearly everyone loved Google. The general level of hatred in the community towards Google has increased significantly in that time. In my estimation this is due entirely to Google's own behavior since Sundar Pichai became CEO. When your CEO has an inability to resolve conflict in the direction of positive sum solutions, the losers of the zero sum game are going to hate you intensely and will certainly not come to your defense when you are attacked.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#57

Pretty immature website, I get why people are against Google and specifically this campus but this website rubs me the wrong way. If they made the same arguments, cleaned up the language and delivery and cited it with studies, papers and facts it would be a much more credible site. They should probably change the domain name as well.

The lack of numbers and clear facts in there are very telling. I'm always wary when significant claims are made but no numbers or studies are cited to support them. In this case it's just about feelings; believing something like a sort of religion.

I'm not saying all of their claims are outright wrong, but this borderline childish website did not persuade me of anything - if anything I have some antipathy against this movement now.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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What "culture and resources" will Google bring that will benefit anyone except Googlers?

There are tons of books written about Google's culture, but my favorite is ”How Google Works” by Eric Schmidt and Jonathan Rosenberg. With regard to resources, Google has by far has the most sophisticated access to future tech (quantum, ML for example), the most infrastructure (GGC, oceanic fiber, DC/pops), and their incredible scale comes with great advantages.

So even more research becoming only possible at companies, and not at public universities? Even more research that will be kept secret? Even more infrastructure that is only available to the Google monopoly?

No thanks.

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

#59
post #3

> Instead of a nice friendly “campus” we see a Google farm for harvesting Kreuzberg’s brains and talents, or a Google mine in which ideas and data will be extracted out of Berlin It's simply not a zero sum game. Google will bring culture and resources with it that could enhance Berlin.

That’s up to the people of Berlin to decide, not a faceless American tech company.

Do some companies have faces?

Does the city of Berlin?

Re: Don't let Google take over Berlin

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What culture could Google bring to Berlin?

The kind of culture that comes with being a place where young, highly educated, liberal, high earning people come to work and live. It seems like that final bit is the problem for these campaigners, they seem pretty enamoured with the idea of their city staying poor (but sexy).

It's not poor. It's just sort of cheap, quite affordable compared to other places.

But if locals want to keep it that way, then they need to show that they are the majority in that municipal area, or they should have bought the buildings a long time ago.

Or at least strategically important flats (the cheap ones on the ground floor next to the hallway, or just simply the cheapest ones, maybe just a lot in the basement, that grants private property rights) - though it depends on the co-owned property rights in Berlin/Germany, but I hope a condo cannot be sold without all the owners agreeing.

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