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A restaurant cannot beat other restaurants by making its meal free to all.
No, but it can by offering better service, better food, better decor etc.
But customer needs to pay
Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker
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Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker
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No, not a chance. We are in an arms race between the people and the corporations. As long as you can see content on a website, there will be corporations trying to monetize that fact. And as long as corporations have to operate within the borders of an open system there will be people trying to circumvent their methods.
An arms race like that will end with the richest corporations lobbying for an end to an open system. I'm sure we'll soon start seeing legislation attempting to criminalize ad-blocking.
http://boingboing.net/2016/03/02/uk-minister-compares-adbloc...
The UK is already moving in that direction.
This is yet another battlefield in the War On General Purpose Computing; you either have the right to run whatever software you want on your computer, or someone else is the de facto owner of your computer through their ability to control what software is allowed to run. These battles need to be fought now, because it's hard to fight over property rights once someone else has already taken possession.
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As a publisher, you should say fuck you to the ads networks that pay you to track your readers, not to the readers trying to protect themselves.
I dont. Its the decision of my readers if they want that. I dont care about adsense tracking at all, its not harming me, i am more afraid of other companies tracking which are not as secure and somehow privacy respecting as google.
> its not harming me
You're selling out your readers, who are harmed by that. The cross-site aggregation that Google does is far more harmful (see: "pattern of life" analysis) than a smaller tracker with bad security. This makes you just as responsible.
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I stopped using at least 4 websites which I followed for years just because they tried to enforce on me turning off PrivacyBadger and uBlock. It will hurt only you in long term. It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices.
> It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices. Likewise I have the right to reject you if you can't comply with my terms.
What terms? They send you a GET and you responded with 200 OK. What they do with the response once it reaches their property is up to them, you have no claim to how they view it.
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I dont. Its the decision of my readers if they want that. I dont care about adsense tracking at all, its not harming me, i am more afraid of other companies tracking which are not as secure and somehow privacy respecting as google.
> its not harming me You're selling out your readers, who are harmed by that. The cross-site aggregation that Google does is far more harmful (see: "pattern of life" analysis) than a smaller tracker with bad security. This makes you just as responsible.
Its how the internet works, i am not happy with it ether and tell anyone to use a AdBlocker plus something like PrivacyBatcher. Hence i am in the progress to block all this directly on my Firewall.
My point is its the users responsibility to protect himself, if he goes on the Internet without any idea whats going on its just naive and my ads are the smallest of his problems.
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Or just hide and obfuscate the ads better. Getting past ad-blockers isn't exactly rocket science. This is an arms race which will not end well.
Whatever end is reached, there's no intuitive or trending reason why it won't be any better or worse than not using ad + tracking blockers. The end result of any side winning is simply that they get what they want; it's not going to lead to some tragedy of the commons. Either advertisers get to track people or they don't. Either people get to block things or they don't. Once upon a time there was little attention to…
Scientific literature is still working out how to deal with "open access": there's a big demand to make papers free-to-access. Which results in the cost being borne by the author paying the publisher instead .. or the disappearance of the publisher intermediary altogether.
Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker
#77I use Opera daily. I really like its "Opera Turbo" feature. It compresses images for lower bandwith. Also uBlock Origin for ads and blocking images larger than 200KB. Saves a lot of mobile data for me.
I need this blocking images function for my smartphone.
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I stopped using at least 4 websites which I followed for years just because they tried to enforce on me turning off PrivacyBadger and uBlock. It will hurt only you in long term. It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices.
> It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices. Likewise I have the right to reject you if you can't comply with my terms.
> terms
HTTP is not a contract.
Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker
#79if ((!!window.opr && !!opr.addons) || !!window.opera || navigator.userAgent.indexOf(' OPR/') >= 0) { throw alert('your browser is not supported'); }
Plenty more websites in the sea
Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker
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> its not harming me You're selling out your readers, who are harmed by that. The cross-site aggregation that Google does is far more harmful (see: "pattern of life" analysis) than a smaller tracker with bad security. This makes you just as responsible.
Its how the internet works, i am not happy with it ether and tell anyone to use a AdBlocker plus something like PrivacyBatcher. Hence i am in the progress to block all this directly on my Firewall. My point is its the users responsibility to protect himself, if he goes on the Internet without any idea whats going on its just naive and my ads are the smallest of his problems.
Please stop blaming the victims.
Yes, it's a good idea for people to defend themselves. That doesn't make publishers any less responsible when they betray their readers to aggregators like Google.
> As publisher
You're telling your readers they need to talk to some other host - which may be owned by Google or similar - to get part of the page. Then you claim that it's their fault for being stupid (really: ignorant) enough to listen to you?