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Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by distances »

reasonality wrote: post #18
threatofrain wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever end is reached, there's no intuitive or trending reason why it won't be any better or worse than not using ad + tracking blockers. The end result of any side winning is simply that they get what they want; it's not going to lead to some tragedy of the commons. Either advertisers get to track people or they don't. Either people get to block things or they don't. Once upon a time there was little attention to…

Well clearly the experience for people not using ad blockers is substantially worse than it was 10 years ago. If the usage of ad blockers increases, you can bet that those not using ad blockers will be squeezed and exploited and have a thousand popups and intrusive ads thrown at them in order for the sites to recoup the lost money. So those using ad blockers are making the web worse for everyone.

I have no reason whatsoever to believe that the ads and popups would be less intrusive if there was a larger audience accepting them.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by aikah »

reasonality wrote: post #5
akerro wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I stopped using at least 4 websites which I followed for years just because they tried to enforce on me turning off PrivacyBadger and uBlock. It will hurt only you in long term. It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices.

How does it hurt them? You stopped leeching their bandwidth without any opportunity for them to earn any ad revenue from them! Allowing leeches on your website doesn't seem that beneficial.

Well as a user I might share a link to a site that will be seen by 100 or 1000's of others, on Facebook, Reddit or whatever social network. If that website blocks me from visiting them at first place, they will also loose all the potential revenue from the viral effect.

Is it what you call a leech ?

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by aw3c2 »

hoodoof wrote: post #19

Why would I want to deprive sites of their ad revenue? If you use ad blocking, just be sure that you and no-one you are close to depends on advertising - directly or indirectly - to get their bills paid. So damn childish to have such a sense of self righteous indignation that people turn off ads but expect the Internet to be free.

To protect yourself from tracking and malware. Being able to inform and educate yourself without several third-parties profiling you should be a cornerstone of our society.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

#25

Post by aikah »

reasonality wrote: post #18
threatofrain wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever end is reached, there's no intuitive or trending reason why it won't be any better or worse than not using ad + tracking blockers. The end result of any side winning is simply that they get what they want; it's not going to lead to some tragedy of the commons. Either advertisers get to track people or they don't. Either people get to block things or they don't. Once upon a time there was little attention to…

Well clearly the experience for people not using ad blockers is substantially worse than it was 10 years ago. If the usage of ad blockers increases, you can bet that those not using ad blockers will be squeezed and exploited and have a thousand popups and intrusive ads thrown at them in order for the sites to recoup the lost money. So those using ad blockers are making the web worse for everyone.

> I you can bet that those not using ad blockers will be squeezed and exploited and have a thousand popups and intrusive ads thrown at them in order for the sites to recoup the lost money.

They are doing that already, they are maximizing the amount of ads they can shove down user's throats. This is nothing new and ad-blocking didn't change that. You'd think adverstiser would understand by now the reason why people use adblocker...

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by ekianjo »

hoodoof wrote: post #19

Why would I want to deprive sites of their ad revenue? If you use ad blocking, just be sure that you and no-one you are close to depends on advertising - directly or indirectly - to get their bills paid. So damn childish to have such a sense of self righteous indignation that people turn off ads but expect the Internet to be free.

In case you missed an episode, ads are not only used for revenues but also for user tracking. If you want to increase your privacy one bit turning ads off is an obvious first step.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by reasonality »

aikah wrote: post #22
reasonality wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does it hurt them? You stopped leeching their bandwidth without any opportunity for them to earn any ad revenue from them! Allowing leeches on your website doesn't seem that beneficial.

Well as a user I might share a link to a site that will be seen by 100 or 1000's of others, on Facebook, Reddit or whatever social network. If that website blocks me from visiting them at first place, they will also loose all the potential revenue from the viral effect. Is it what you call a leech ?

You're assuming the set of people who dislike ads and actively block them, intersects with the set of people who don't mind ads.

I'm not convinced that's the case. They're usually quite different demographics.

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by digi_owl »

distances wrote: post #15
hathym wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

forbes did it, look what happened.

Well, what happened? I stopped visiting myself, but I have no idea what was the general reaction.

Soon after they started, it was found that their ads were delivering malware...

Re: Opera Browser adds integrated adblocker

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Post by Kiro »

akerro wrote: post #3
yev wrote: post #2

if ((!!window.opr && !!opr.addons) || !!window.opera || navigator.userAgent.indexOf(' OPR/') >= 0) { throw alert('your browser is not supported'); }

I stopped using at least 4 websites which I followed for years just because they tried to enforce on me turning off PrivacyBadger and uBlock. It will hurt only you in long term. It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices.

> It's more important for me to use my browser then you website that doesn't respect my choices.

Likewise I have the right to reject you if you can't comply with my terms.

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