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Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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post #52

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No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps.

Not cherrypicked. The article mentions they were surprised by the amount of inappropriate flirting. They only cherrypicked the most "amusing" attempts.

I'm always amused when someone rebuts their own thesis in their conclusion. Thanks for the laugh!

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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This is her life. She can't stop the guys from hitting on her, short of doing awful things like downplaying her looks or hiding herself away. I wear a suit and tie to work every day. I didn't really understand her position until I started job hunting. I like wearing suits. I own five of them, three are custom made. Now I have to make a decision. Do I wear a suit and tie to my in-person job interviews? Coders seem to…

How is downplaying one's looks "awful" or "doing violence to yourself"? When we wear non-practical clothes (e.g. anything besides athletic wear or comfy cargo pants), the entire purpose is to cause other humans to respond to us in a way that we find favorable. I recently purchased a slim red pants designed to convey a) that I'm a moderately creative type and b) that I have a nice ass. The net result is that I get des…

Off-topic, but why is attention from "fat chicks and gays" undesirable? I personally do not discriminate when someone compliments me - it does not necessarily mean they want to have sex with me and even if they do, so what?

It is nice to be appreciated (especially since happens less and less often as you age :-))

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible, whether or not sex is a good thing in general. Sexual activity is awesome, when it's between two people who both actually want it. I think you'll find that most of the people you're vilifying agree.

> Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible How will you know if the other party desires it without showing your intentions?

Because there are contexts where bringing that up is appropriate and contexts where it isn't?

At a party: Appropriate. Support Channel for a Service: Not appropriate.

This sort of thing should never happen in a professional context.

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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I've talked to a few girls about this. While some are absolutely just out for all the freebies they can get, others have said that men will get increasingly aggressive when you turn down offers for stuff like that - like they insist on being "a provider" and you turning that down is an insult to their manhood. Seems like a no-win situation all round, really. If you take it, you're encouraging his behaviour (and makin…

The reason for this is that in many circumstances, male social value is determined disproportionately by the approval/disapproval of women. So when a woman turns a man down in this way, she not only rejects him for sex, but also reduces his social value. Any "fix" for this will drastically reduce women's social power. It's far from clear that women in general want this to happen. One complaint I've heard from a numbe…

> One complaint I've heard from a number of women about tech environments directly relates to this; a social butterfly who organizes parties and hackathons has lower status than the fat neckbeard who fixed all the performance problems.

Interesting perspective. On reflection, since I'd find any pressure to attend stuff like parties or hackathons and such kind of annoying, even if attendance isn't strictly required and especially if they're outside normal work hours and/or project schedules aren't adjusted to account for them, it likely would lower my opinion of someone if they kept advocating for or organizing that kind of thing. Even under the best circumstances I doubt it'd raise my opinion of them.

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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post #62

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I actually had a rather lengthy debate about clothing with my fiance. It comes down to perspectives and social norms which may need to change to have equality. Disclaimer: I do understand that this is sociologically complex topic A woman may choose to wear what someone might consider a revealing piece of clothing for no other reason than she wants to and finds it "cute" (omitting why she has gotten to that conclusion…

I never understood that line of thought. It's like saying one should be free to shout "FIRE!" in a cinema just so that he can feel happy with himself ("hey, my shouting is terrific! I carry no responsibility for what you'll make of the words I say!"). Wearing clothes is a social act, not a personal one. That's why there are laws about it. We geeks should know, considering how we softly strong-armed entire swaths of d…

But that's just it, attraction is an inward feeling/biochemical reaction/etc. I am by no means saying that you cannot feel attracted no one can tell you how to feel. Rather, it is a matter of how you act on that attraction. That is where society says it is or is not okay to harass/act aggressive/etc.

in the context of the original post, a customer was attracted to the image of the fictitious support staffer. How the customer acted shows a perhaps a lack of control. In this case it was "innocent" hitting on (not flirting as one of the other comments suggested). But the fact that the customer felt compelled to is strange in the context of customer support.

Like I said, this is an interesting topic.

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible, whether or not sex is a good thing in general. Sexual activity is awesome, when it's between two people who both actually want it. I think you'll find that most of the people you're vilifying agree.

> Forcing your sexuality on somebody else in a context other than one where they desire it is terrible How will you know if the other party desires it without showing your intentions?

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Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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post #52

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Not cherrypicked. The article mentions they were surprised by the amount of inappropriate flirting. They only cherrypicked the most "amusing" attempts.

I'm always amused when someone rebuts their own thesis in their conclusion. Thanks for the laugh!

You're welcome, but of course I didn't rebut my own thesis:

1- Post says: "Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?"

2- A reply says: "No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps."

3- My post says (paraphrased for comprehension): "These aren't examples cherrypicked to show people unable to refrain from inappropriate base impulses. The only cherrypicking is for amusement. The rest of the article explains that the number of people surrendering to inappropriate base impulses was surprisingly high. So the sub-subtitle remains correct."

4- Your post.

Do you see it now? Laughter is always welcome, so feel free to continue :)

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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I did this same exact thing for a short period, except I used our company admin (with her permission). I thought it would be neat to have a face for support via email and chat and if you called us you'd most likely be greeted by her as well.

It was hard to believe how many people wanted to chat, get a walk through of our product or have a call until they got handed off to a male in sales or support. So many no shows for meetings.

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