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Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by stfu »

dsmithatx wrote: post #10
AznHisoka wrote: post #2

I wonder if this would had an effect on conversions. Are people more likely to buy a product if the salesperson they're talking to is an attractive woman (or attractive man if the buyer is female)

In Austin, TX. there is a consulting firm and all employees are super attractive females. I went there for an interview and was met by three ladies who looked like they should be models. I thought it was strange but, had no idea this is all they hired. Later I went to another consulting firm and took a better job. When I mentioned to my new recruiter about interviewing for the other job he said, "Oh yeah I wish I cou…

What kind of "consulting" are we talking about here?

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by untog »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #34

Subtitle "experiment reveals that organism's behaviour is influenced by most important driver for genetic survival".

Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by gluelogic »

untog wrote: post #42
nmeofthestate wrote: post #34

Subtitle "experiment reveals that organism's behaviour is influenced by most important driver for genetic survival".

Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?

No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps.

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by dudifordMann »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #35
vinceguidry wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is her life. She can't stop the guys from hitting on her, short of doing awful things like downplaying her looks or hiding herself away. I wear a suit and tie to work every day. I didn't really understand her position until I started job hunting. I like wearing suits. I own five of them, three are custom made. Now I have to make a decision. Do I wear a suit and tie to my in-person job interviews? Coders seem to…

How is downplaying one's looks "awful" or "doing violence to yourself"? When we wear non-practical clothes (e.g. anything besides athletic wear or comfy cargo pants), the entire purpose is to cause other humans to respond to us in a way that we find favorable. I recently purchased a slim red pants designed to convey a) that I'm a moderately creative type and b) that I have a nice ass. The net result is that I get des…

I actually had a rather lengthy debate about clothing with my fiance. It comes down to perspectives and social norms which may need to change to have equality.

Disclaimer: I do understand that this is sociologically complex topic

A woman may choose to wear what someone might consider a revealing piece of clothing for no other reason than she wants to and finds it "cute" (omitting why she has gotten to that conclusion e.g. marketing, etc). To that woman, she chose to wear something that make her happy. She is NOT responsible for the actions of the people around her based on how they view that article of clothing. This ends up always with either victim blaming or claims of "common sense" when really she should be able to go around topless if she so chooses without having to fear others' actions.

In your case, you are already assuming reactions from others which is a whole other route in this conversation. When all is said and done, I find this to be a terribly interesting and complex topic.

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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ethanbond wrote: post #6
ascorbic wrote: post #4

This is a bit odd. The tone of the post is "isn't this funny" when really it should be "look at the crap that female support staff have to put up with".

Probably trying to find a balance between badtalking their customers and sensibly bringing up an important topic. Thus why half the comments are saying they were speaking harshly about their customers, half are saying it's not serious enough in tone. It seems obvious, based on the last sentence, that they think this is something that must be addressed.

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Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by untog »

gluelogic wrote: post #43
untog wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sub-subtitle being "human beings utterly unable to overcome base impulses despite higher order brain functions", then?

No, just the ones in the cherrypicked examples for this article, perhaps.

Sure, but the OPs implication was that this kind of thing is unavoidable because of genetic impulse. It is absolutely avoidable.

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by yummyfajitas »

untog wrote: post #16
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tragedy played out every day, for sure. I wonder in all that, about the part where she accepts all this attention, letting guys pay for everything. What if she didn't play along? I know, blaming the victim. But the social game is complex, and she is definitely a part of it.

I've talked to a few girls about this. While some are absolutely just out for all the freebies they can get, others have said that men will get increasingly aggressive when you turn down offers for stuff like that - like they insist on being "a provider" and you turning that down is an insult to their manhood. Seems like a no-win situation all round, really. If you take it, you're encouraging his behaviour (and makin…

The reason for this is that in many circumstances, male social value is determined disproportionately by the approval/disapproval of women. So when a woman turns a man down in this way, she not only rejects him for sex, but also reduces his social value.

Any "fix" for this will drastically reduce women's social power.

It's far from clear that women in general want this to happen. One complaint I've heard from a number of women about tech environments directly relates to this; a social butterfly who organizes parties and hackathons has lower status than the fat neckbeard who fixed all the performance problems.

In fact, activists regularly moan about this: https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/acknowledging-non-coding... https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/how-tech-devalues-social...

Re: Valentine's Day Special: Bye Bye Tinder, Flirting in the Support Channel

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Post by cafard »

AznHisoka wrote: post #2

I wonder if this would had an effect on conversions. Are people more likely to buy a product if the salesperson they're talking to is an attractive woman (or attractive man if the buyer is female)

Years ago, sitting in a meeting, I tried to think who the [big company, IT-related] sales team looked like. Presently it hit me: the homecoming court, back for the 15th reunion. There are exceptions, certainly among the men, some of them attributable to living on an expense account.
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