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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by thaway9837 »

With all the respect for his contributions and good demeanor, sadly, this guy has no clue on what islam is and playin moslem like most of the 1.5 billion so called moslems. Which causes islam to be seen as a peaceful religion. No. Islam is the thing that creates these lunatics.

I'm from Turkey, and I've been surrounded with islam for all my life. Problem with this kind of people is: they have created their own religion, by forking the concepts and names from islam. In fact, they have never read their holy book at all. They believe that, their self created branch of islam is the real one, and these radicals are just lunatics.

Let's see if this is true.

Moslems are ordered to kill and be killed in the name of allah

http://quran.com/9/111 Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah , so they kill and are killed.

until there's no religion left other than islam.

http://quran.com/2/193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

http://quran.com/8/39 And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Non believers are enemy

http://quran.com/4/101 Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.

Christians and jews are also enemy, but they may be spared for ransom/extortion. If they don't comply, or convert to islam, they must also be killed.

http://quran.com/9/29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Be enemies with your own family, if they do not believe in islam

http://quran.com/9/23 O you who have believed, do not take your fathers or your brothers as allies if they have preferred disbelief over belief. And whoever does so among you - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

And also fight in the name of allah starting from your relatives

http://quran.com/9/123 O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.

There are many more like these in quran. See, these are the quran's orders to muslims and those lunatics are just obeying the orders. The rest is just playing moslems having no idea on what islam is.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by iamthepieman »

tobltobs wrote: post #60
iamthepieman wrote: post #37

I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Have you ever thought about that mixing religion and politics might be a reason for the mess in the islamic states?

Yes absolutely. That plus a history of the area being a frequent host to proxy wars, a source of the worlds most demanded natural resource and the seat of three of the worlds most prominent religions.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by 2a0c40 »

jacquesm wrote: post #6

> They control large areas of land, have their own oil fields, and receive direct support from many countries in the region. Namely from rich oil-producing countries. That's one of those things where we could make a fairly immediate change in policy, it would come at a cost, definitely but it would change the situation for IS for the worse far more effectively than any number of bombs dropped would do.

Relevant: http://www.politico.eu/article/the-saudi-wahhabis-are-the-re...

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by Hytosys »

awjr wrote: post #26

So we need to drop a metaphorical bomb on the financial institutions that support these regimes?

Why do you think that these financial institutions exist in the first place?

Another piece of the puzzle: https://theintercept.com/2015/11/16/stock-prices-of-weapons-...

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by vog »

cygx wrote: post #64
iamthepieman wrote: post #37

I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Of course it's not "all Muslisms". But those who claim "it's only the terrorists" or "it's all politics" do not grasp the scope of the problem, ie that globally speaking, a significant number of adherents of Islam hold ideas that are incompatible with an open society. If you naively extrapolate from the 2013 Pew Poll The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society (which in principle represents nations with a tot…

> 40% of these think you should be killed for leaving Islam.

How do these numbers compare to other religions?

For example, there is an unconfortable number of Christians who do have a fundamentalist mindset, too (although I didn't find any exact numbers). Probably similar issue for other religions and possibly also among non-religious people.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by Eupolemos »

slowmotiony wrote: post #21
StavrosK wrote: post #2

Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Yes, suicide bombers shouting "Allah akhbar" is definitely political, nothing to do with religion at all.

You simply need to be more precise with your language.

The terrorists desperately want this to be about religion. They want this to be about Muslims vs the rest. If they can make it that, if we in the west will believe that THAT is it, the terrorists can speak directly to all the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and recruit from them. They will justify their horrible actions vs other Muslims with the reasoning that they did it for all Islam which was "threatened".

It is a political struggle within Islam. Every western nation is walking on eggshells to keep it so. Don't support the terrorists by saying "They said Allahu Akbar, it's religious".

Want to dishearten Daesh? Challenge them and spit in their face, show them their actions is for nothing? Walk with Christian if you're Muslim and a Muslim if you're a Christian (or atheist or whatever).

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by vixen99 »

jacquesm wrote: post #27
ousta wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you serious??? How long did it take for muslims representatives to say sorry about the invasions and conquest that led to the creation of crusades? I have yet to hear an apology.

It doesn't matter to me what the other side of a conflict does, what matters to me is what my side of a conflict does. The fact that we don't descend to the level of our opponents gives us at least a moral edge, and it might even give us a real edge in the longer run. The moral high ground is one that you give up at your peril. Not that the Catholic church in particular has much moral high ground left but at least th…

Only my opinion but I'd rather be a survivor to discuss the finer points of morality later on than have the supposed moral edge right now prior to my dispatch.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by tobltobs »

iamthepieman wrote: post #73
tobltobs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever thought about that mixing religion and politics might be a reason for the mess in the islamic states?

Yes absolutely. That plus a history of the area being a frequent host to proxy wars, a source of the worlds most demanded natural resource and the seat of three of the worlds most prominent religions.

That is not an answer to my question, isn't it? There are lots of islamic states where your description does not suit and they are still a mess. And being oil rich didn't pose a problem for norway.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Post by jacquesm »

amake wrote: post #55

> we are against their so called Islamic state, and against their retarded, barbaric version of Islam. The problem with irrational belief systems is that you have no rational basis for calling one version legit and one version "barbaric". Who's to say your interpretation is correct? Maybe theirs is. Better to recognize irrational beliefs for what they are and discard them entirely (to the degree that's possible).

I think with barbaric he means to indicate they are willing to slaughter innocents. Just like the IRA was nominally Catholic and the Unionists/Loyalists were nominally protestant but in the meantime were happily bombing each others schools. Anybody serious about either religion would not bomb children, they'd be practicing a retarded barbaric version of Christianity.
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