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Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

> Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade. I wonder how can you call the main motivation of these jihadists 'just a facade'?

Because if their motivation was to spread Islam, there are better ways to do it.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

> It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Or like Americans having to apologise for drone stikes, for Iraq and Afghanistan, and specific attacks like the MSF hospital in Kunduz.

Well, those were done by the US government, which the US populace elects, so there is a measure of responsibility.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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I'm living in Paris. I heard gunfire from my apartment. My heart goes out to Salah-Eddin, and all people living in the shadow of unspeakable abominations. It saddens me to imagine that simply hearing gunfire in the distance is nothing compared to what my fellow man has witnessed elsewhere. Salah-Eddin's condolences mean a lot to me and I wish him all the best. It's my sincerest hope that French troops will be deploye…

Good luck in the Army! The Middle East doesn't need more foreign bodybags (good or bad guys) but support, training and equipment. Last I checked they are begging for armor and winter gear.

I'm only going to be a weekend-warrior! Reservists essentially patrol Paris (especially airports and train stations), so there's zero chance of me going abroad unless I volunteer. Frankly, this is why I think enlisting as a reservist is a worthwhile and not-too-damaging thing to do.

At the end of the day, someone needs to pull the trigger, sickening though this thought may be. I hope I won't have to, but I'd rather do that than watch my compatriots get butchered in their own streets. I'd rather do that then weep in my apartment like I did last Friday. I'm a few years shy of 30, I'm in good shape... if not me, then who?

I mention this in case any other Frenchmen are lurking around. I know the army doesn't have a great reputation here, but this is a way to help out that doesn't even need to interfere with your work schedule. Your employer is required by law to allow you to pursue your missions, and you're paid a small amount during your active-duty days (though this is hardly the point). I can think of no clearer example of self-defense.

>Last I checked they are begging for armor and winter gear.

I wonder how difficult it would be to collect old winter clothes and send them over...

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Reading that brought a tear to my eyes, he and many others live with this on a daily basis. The subject is long and complex and I think his sentence "This is a war of civilisations and way of life. and trust me. the peaceful one, the one that always say sorry for everything is not going to win." is striking in its truth, simplicity and horror.

Stay safe Salah-Eddin and thank you for your words.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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> we are against their so called Islamic state, and against their retarded, barbaric version of Islam.

The problem with irrational belief systems is that you have no rational basis for calling one version legit and one version "barbaric". Who's to say your interpretation is correct? Maybe theirs is.

Better to recognize irrational beliefs for what they are and discard them entirely (to the degree that's possible).

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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> They control large areas of land, have their own oil fields, and receive direct support from many countries in the region. Namely from rich oil-producing countries. That's one of those things where we could make a fairly immediate change in policy, it would come at a cost, definitely but it would change the situation for IS for the worse far more effectively than any number of bombs dropped would do.

How easy it is to change the policy adopted and executed for over 5 decades [0]. During this period both of the parties have sufficiently ruled Washington with same policy.

Glenn Greenwald provides further documentation that the various Middle Eastern and North African wars were planned before 9/11 [1]

"General Wesley Clark … said the aim of this plot [to “destroy the governments in … Iraq, … Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”

[I]n the aftermath of military-caused regime change in Iraq and Libya … with concerted regime change efforts now underway aimed at Syria and Iran, with active and escalating proxy fighting in Somalia, with a modest military deployment to South Sudan, and the active use of drones in six — count ‘em: six — different Muslim countries, it is worth asking whether the neocon dream as laid out by Clark is dead or is being actively pursued and fulfilled, albeit with means more subtle and multilateral than full-on military invasions (it’s worth remembering that neocons specialized in dressing up their wars in humanitarian packaging: Saddam’s rape rooms! Gassed his own people!). As Jonathan Schwarz … put it about the supposedly contentious national security factions:

As far as I can tell, there’s barely any difference in goals within the foreign policy establishment. They just disagree on the best methods to achieve the goals. My guess is that everyone agrees we have to continue defending the mideast from outside interference (I love that Hillary line), and the [Democrats] just think that best path is four overt wars and three covert actions, while the neocons want to jump straight to seven wars. The neocon end as Clark reported them — regime change in those seven countries — seems as vibrant as ever. It’s just striking to listen to Clark describe those 7 countries in which the neocons plotted to have regime change back in 2001, and then compare that to what the U.S. Government did and continues to do since then with regard to those precise countries. "

0: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/57-years-ago-u-s-brit... 1: http://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dre...

edit: 2: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/neoconservatives-plan...

from [2]: "Found actual video clips of Clarke explaining the long-standing plans for regime change … In the following clip, Clarke says

I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September.

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So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”

And in this clip, Clarke says

It came back to me … a 1991 meeting I had with Paul Wolfowitz.

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In 1991, he was the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy – the number 3 position at the Pentagon. And I had gone to see him when I was a 1-Star General commanding the National Training Center.

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And I said, “Mr. Secretary, you must be pretty happy with the performance of the troops in Desert Storm.”

And he said: “Yeah, but not really, because the truth is we should have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, and we didn’t … But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet client regimes – Syria, Iran, Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.”

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Whereas the Catholic Church has a singular leader (the Pope), there is no equivalent in Islam.

That is, currently - historically, Caliphs have been religious and political leaders. ISIS claims to take up that throne now, but...

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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By writing that message, he's making himself a potential target of terror, especially now that this is on the front page of HN and could be picked up by mainstream media. For safety's sake, I hope he contributes to VLC under a pseudonym and not under his real name.

What you're communicating is essentially what "terrorists" are aiming to achieve and draw power from. Their attacks are targeted to maximize disruption of daily life and make people afraid of some unknown terror. Better to continue life as you normally would, be alert, and to not give in to fear.

I don't know - by the same token, if I don't walk in the middle of the road I am letting car culture win?

Maybe if something is dangerous, it is better to avoid it. In this day and age whatever you say online can be read by billions. There are bound to be some nutjobs among them. So maybe it is just prudent to try to remain anonymous, as there are not only terrorists to fear.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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Isn't it sad that this has to be said at all? "Hey, not every adherent of a religion supports killing innocent people of a different religion". It'd be like us having to apologize for the Crusades. Besides, the hits were driven by politics, religion is just a facade.

Yes, suicide bombers shouting "Allah akhbar" is definitely political, nothing to do with religion at all.

The roots of this mess are political: France wanted Assad ousted at every cost, a policy that suited the US too since Assad was in business with Russia. That's why the ISIS was allowed to grow and receive funding. I know shocking isn't it?

Now that France knows that the ISIS, retards as they are, are not easy to control. France will have to decide: Either you leave Syria to the Russians or you leave the ISIS be and hope your intelligence will be able to prevent terrorists. It's crystal clear that the population there wants and supports Assad.

Obama's on the G20 made clear that the US are not going to change policy on the ISIS, which basically means that they will keep them restrained on one side, but continue to support them indirectly on the other. Putin of course offered his support in destroying ISIS, he for sure wants ISIS out of the picture, dead and buried. Turkey is playing a double-game, supporting the ISIS indirectly while condemning it's activities. It's a mess, but it's our mess.

Someone should ask Hollande: "What is the reason the French military was there in the first place?" and the answer will be to enforce Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Some people really believe that.

Truth is we should be apologizing to this old fella from Syria (the OP) because he is a victim of Western imperialism as much as we (Europeans) are.

Re: VLC contributor living in Aleppo writing about the Paris attacks

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I work with a Muslim and I'm a Christian. Since we are both very conservative, I actually have more in common with him than with my secular coworkers and friends. Unfortunately we both work remotely and live several hundred miles from each other. I think we could be good friends if we lived closer. One thing I have learned talking with my Muslim coworker is that, just like in Christianity, there are many divisions an…

Have you ever thought about that mixing religion and politics might be a reason for the mess in the islamic states?
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