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Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by Vcx »

karuneshkaushal wrote: post #685
kellyscholey wrote: post #638

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I find this whole situation very frustrating so much so I wrote a blog post about it. It's people like Adria who discourage women to join or take part in our industry. http://lovefromkelly.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/life-as-female-d...

(Read your post and thought I would comment here) I am a male. I have worked in 2 small Indian companies (I wouldn't call them startups) over the past 2 years. A year at the first and 6 months at the second. Almost all guys/girls in early 20s (I will be 23 next month). We have a kind of unfriendly-to-women culture here in India, so I thought I would tell you what I think. Though reading about the current saga has mad…

Hi I am not from India but the US. I feel the need to pint out that your example of perspective would be ill advised in most parts of the us. Ill manners are ill manners. You would be better off to move than to confront. You see you do not know who you are dealing with. There could be consequences, painful consequences. The idea is to live and let live.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by helloiamnew »

chrisivens wrote: post #510
mnicole wrote: post #282

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Hopefully you are still reading the comments here as I'm just catching up on all of this and watching how it is continuing to unfold. Please don't apologize. As other women before me already have, I want to apologize for this incident; honestly I probably would have been giggling myself if I was in an earshot of you. With respect to Adria's past and her sensitivity to the triggers she refers to, a comment like this i…

Seems this youtube clip here is totally inappropriate too then? See 1:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAG39jKi0lI

And this one is even worse, especially in an educational setting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YVA94ZL6e0 (think of the children!)

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by joshlegs »

female101 wrote: post #534
mr-hank wrote: post #148

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The PSF did not kick us out, they pulled us from the main convention and got our side of the story. I gave a statement, apologized and thanked them for upholding the cons integrity. They felt I was sincere and let us leave of our own accord. I was also the only one who was let go.

Sorry to hear about you losing your job, that was not cool. As a woman in tech who is also a mother and raising 2 daughters, I experience the boys club every day. I love all the men I work with, I think they are great. I don't think that they are aware of some of the things they do that are offensive to women and I try to give them feedback to help them understand. I want my daughters to go into their career of choic…

I'm not so sure the "boys club" is really the "boys club." It's more like the "in crowd." And many people suffer from not being part of it, men included. Anything that threatens the in crowd's exclusiveness is shunned. That said, there more than a few misogynists out there, and not just in the tech realm. You should have worked at my last job. Boss literally thought a woman's place was solely in the kitchen, and hired accordingly (or as much as he could get away with). He also thought all black people should be shot, or so he said on one incredibly surprising occasion.

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Post by bobwaycott »

flaviusb wrote: post #686
bobwaycott wrote: post #681

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Well, I would certainly expect the 'attempt at informal logic is ... laughable'. I wrote it to be ridiculous. I guess I shouldn't have bothered with the reply, as it appears to have triggered a pissing contest over Logic technicalities. Or perhaps you think a dispute on mechanics is going to erase the problems inherent in the idea that selective power assignments to individual agents based on uncontrolled genetic fac…

Okay, so you make an argument, when I say it is wrong and that I am going to critique it formally you say that 'of course it was wrong, I wrote it to be ridiculous' because apparently responding to what you are saying and not just accepting it is 'starting a logic pissing contest', then you go on to reassert the thing that you have not proved where the only argument you have made for it is laughable... fuck off troll…

> fuck off troll ... sloppy thinking ... if you can read ...

You might find people more willing to engage in discussion if you didn't resort to abusive language in nearly every comment you've posted to HN.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by JadedOkie »

I think she got this totally wrong this man got fired he had a family, and according to him she is the one who needs to get her mind out of the gutter. She ruined this mans life because she felt a calling to defend gender equality in coding? Who are you the messiah of the tech world? Now we have to hear about how she never intended for anyone to get fired blah blah blah. Guess what lady someone got fired you posted that pic to a huge social media site and you knew it would spread I smell an attention whore! How is this huge mess you have made going to do anything for the betterment of women? To the man who said he was sorry, look you made a bad joke and that was it don't further this ridiculous cause by apologizing that just gives her validity. If anyone should apologize it should be her for not even giving you the chance to apologize.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by flaviusb »

bobwaycott wrote: post #695
flaviusb wrote: post #686

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Okay, so you make an argument, when I say it is wrong and that I am going to critique it formally you say that 'of course it was wrong, I wrote it to be ridiculous' because apparently responding to what you are saying and not just accepting it is 'starting a logic pissing contest', then you go on to reassert the thing that you have not proved where the only argument you have made for it is laughable... fuck off troll…

> fuck off troll ... sloppy thinking ... if you can read ... You might find people more willing to engage in discussion if you didn't resort to abusive language in nearly every comment you've posted to HN.

Thank you for your kind advice. I think that you are utterly mistaken, as you will note (if you actually go through my comment history and read the comments I am replying to) that I respond to comments (or comment threads) where people show that they are sloppy thinkers, subliterate morons, shitheads or trolls (and thus already not engaging or being incapable of engaging) by insulting them, but I do not respond to reasonable comments or comment threads this way. The reason for the preponderance of insulting prose in my comments is the fact that most of the people I respond to on HN very quickly show that they are sloppy thinkers, subliterate morons, shitheads or trolls, as you have done in this thread.

However, I could be the one who is mistaken, so I will see if being more civil in future actually works, and somehow magically cures people of being sloppy thinkers, subliterate morons, shitheads or trolls.

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Post by IsaacSchlueter »

vacri wrote: post #544
IsaacSchlueter wrote: post #517

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> army of angry whiteknights Please refrain from racist comments.

'white knight' has nothing to do with racism. It evokes the mythical imagery of the paladin, whose surcoat is clean and white because he is so pure and uncorrupted.

Just because you're not offended by a racist comment doesn't mean it isn't racist.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by neuruss »

bobwaycott wrote: post #206

Seriously, Adria (and all of you who are defending her actions)--you got this one wrong; it was a false positive on your sexism scale. As a philosophical Marxist, I count myself among those who not only inherently support gender equality, but are from the thought tradition that started the damn movement. In graduate school, my thesis focused on the Southeast US from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights Act of 1964…

Yeah, I know exactly what it means to cross and uncross my legs to give my huge dick some space... Ha, ha!

Oh, wait... Is Adria reading this????

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