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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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The fact that Trump was democratically elected changes nothing, Hitler (and Putin) were too. Threats of fascism and authoritarianism aren’t baseless fear mongering, it’s all already happening. While fascism might be too strong of a word the amount of hate administration creating against particular group of people (immigrants, especially undocumented) is huge; just take a look at this wall https://www.borderreport.com…

undocumented immigrants? You mean illegals.

> – sending people into foreign prison without (criminal) due process

They were in the country illegally. That's breaking a law. They received the due process that illegal aliens get.

> – turning the state into police state, with ICE being modern day gestapo

Not even remotely close. ICE targets illegal (criminal) aliens. Not to mention the deportation numbers are pathetically low.

> – literally dismantling federal government and international position of the country

How is he dismantling the federal government? Surely you don't mean doge which has been a pathetic failure.

> President is a person elected for faithful execution of the laws

The 2nd amendment has been infringed upon by previous administrations. How come that's not covered by this?

All the other stuff is bunch of nothing. Far better examples are under Biden against Trump, i.e criminally prosecuting your political opponent - but ofcourse there's plenty of excuses just like there are for everything in here.

> – attacking universities representing views different from yours

What views are those? I agree with you here, this part is messed up. Isn't it crazy how, having anti-certain country view, will get uni's federal funding shut off, or students that are in US legally deported? Those students didn't criticize US, but a certain foreign country. How crazy is that. Really shows you the influence those people have huh.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

>>American labor is low quality and high cost. American Labor will never be cheaper than virtual slave labor.

Yes but there are barriers there that other countries dont have.

Its lower cost than serbia, where you need to either register a business locally or help the staff out with taxes.

But its higher cost than canada, where people just sort of dont fuck around and get on with things.

And in some circumstances the lack of regulation can make things more expensive. Or at least, lack of regulation + lack of respect for norms.

I had a customer insist on using a particular tower climber for cabling, but the guy had no idea about cabling or network engineering. He was "cheap" in that he didn't draw a large wage, but he was actually expensive because he needed so much hand holding. Later I found out he had several 500M + runs of Cat5 that could have been 3 meters and a switch.

In fact it seems a fairly uniquely american thing that some bloke will go off and do a lot of """work""" and then hand over an absolute pile of dogshit that proper engineers need to come in and resolve. The shit I have seen american network engineers "produce" that needed to be cleaned up by expensive consultants would curl your hair.

Its because americans try and do everything with slave labor that they are so damned expensive to deal with.

If I engage a cabler in an Australian or Canadian data centre, they tend to find a fault and fix it in the first instance.

Literally never happened for me with yanks. Its always 5 visits, back and forth, arguments about responsibility, providers closing tickets before they have resolved anything, and engineers that dont understand the difference between light stats and BGP neighborship.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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There are more than those two categories - for example, Europe exists. So does Canada.

I would be surprised if there were any meaningful differences between American, European and Canadian labour.

Mindset is a big one.

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Citizens United has no impact on what an individual can do with his money. It’s purely about corporate spending by entities like IBM, the Sierra Club, or the New York Times Company.

It does because a rich individual can just start a proxy corp and do whatever.

They don’t need to because a rich individual already can use their money for whatever speech they like.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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That was yesterday's narrative, keep up! Now tariffs were a plan to pressure our allies to renegotiate their trade deals with us in our favor, and that worked great! (According to the white house (Also forget that not a single deal was made)). Oops! Scratch that, now that China won't back down on their retaliatory tariffs, they were always a tool to make China "fall back in line" or something. Yeah, destroying our ow…

> Also forget that not a single deal was made Whoa, whoa, whoa, good sir, Trump has personally made 200 deals [0] that are totally real, they just go another school. [0] https://time.com/7280114/donald-trump-2025-interview-transcr...

Hey now, I'll have you know that Trump just signed a deal to steal Ukraine's resources at gunpoint lest he let them be devoured by Russia. Art of the Deal!

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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> who the police are being deployed to protect, private citizens or the government itself I must have missed the outpouring of Republican support for the black lives matter protests when they were attacked by police riots or when police stations were attacked. No private citizens being protected there, and the protesting was directly against government oppression (including of the 2nd amendment even!).

Republicans don’t think that police using lethal force against people with long criminal records—which come from terrorizing fellow citizens—is “government oppression.” That doesn’t describe every person that was the subject of the protests, but certainly describes the people who became the figureheads.

'I'm all for rights, except the right to life (of some citizens)' is absolutely disgusting. Wow this comment says a lot about you and should remove the good faith people around here give you.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Republicans don’t think that police using lethal force against people with long criminal records—which come from terrorizing fellow citizens—is “government oppression.” That doesn’t describe every person that was the subject of the protests, but certainly describes the people who became the figureheads.

'I'm all for rights, except the right to life (of some citizens)' is absolutely disgusting. Wow this comment says a lot about you and should remove the good faith people around here give you.

You're just giving him an opening to retrench at a steelman - when the police have to respond with deadly force for some completely reasonable justification, "right to life" doesn't have much to do with it.

The point is that even in very clear cut situations where the police are in the wrong, and have trampled over the very 2nd amendment rights that Republicans claim to love so much, it's then still crickets from Republicans. So this alleged "violence against the government is treated as distinct" seems to be just more post-hoc rationalization nonsense.

The problem is that rayiner is continually trolling with gut-appealing half-truths, sidesteps the straightforward logical implications as long as he can by responding tangentially, and when he can't do that any longer he just bails on the conversation rather than confronting the contradiction.

I guess I'm just glad us actually-conservatives (meaning everyone from "RINOs" to "the left" that actually respects our societal institutions enough to not want to see our country on the scrap heap) have reached a critical mass to beat back this wall of disingenuous bad-faith bullshit.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Why should we send $240 million to Zambia? Is it the United States taxpayers' responsibility to treat all of the developing world's problems? How much foreign aid is enough? The United States is approaching 37 trillion dollars of debt. There will be no aid to Zambia or any other country if we default on that debt.

> Why should we send $240 million to Zambia? Is it the United States taxpayers' responsibility to treat all of the developing world's problems? If you see someone drowning in the river, and you stand by and are a good swimmer, is it not your responsibility to help? > There will be no aid to Zambia or any other country if we default on that debt. US Foreign Aid was a trivial amount of money buying much soft power arou…

Help me understand how HIV treatment in Zambia makes Americans better off? What is the "soft power" that it buys?

And if $240 million is trivial, they can just send it to me instead.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Except brokering peace in Ukraine. He also promised an economic boom.

When you promise to broker peace you are promising only to try since it is obvious that you do not have the agency to guarantee success. There are a million things to hate about Trump's handling of Ukraine and Russia, but this just isn't one of them.

He said he would end it on day one. That's a promise he didn't keep.

It's not my fault he made such a dumb, impossible promise. It is true he broke it.

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