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Re: Tell HN: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode

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Post by jerrygenser »

tikhonj wrote: post #325
PheonixPharts wrote: post #192

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I'm always a bit surprised how few people realized how many "nice things" from the last decade plus have been heavily subsidized by VC money (which itself was created from low interest rates). Every cool startup that people loved started by burning cash. This made Uber cheap, DoorDash cheap, Youtube helpful and creative, Facebook about connecting with classmates, Twitter a free public forum, Reddit a playground for f…

Were these apps made possible with VC money, or just made monopolizable ? In a different world, I could see most of these areas spawning smaller companies—on a slower timeline, sure—if VC-backed companies couldn't use massive up-front capital to suck the air out of the room. We could certainly have app-based taxis and restaurant delivery without Uber or DoorDash; hardware and bandwidth have gotten cheap enough that w…

They wouldn't have been able to support consumer scale without the up front capital. Otherwise they would need private betas and stuff but this would have not created the value of the same network effects and robust marketplaces.

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Post by soneca »

ProjectArcturis wrote: post #655
soneca wrote: post #84

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I am 100% sure that I didn’t load 300 tweets in the official app today. I was only accessing an account where I follow 17 people. I just counted and there were 14 new tweets (RTs counted as 2 tweets) in my feed from today (the average for a typical day in this account). And I was rate-limited today. In the best scenario, the change is really intended, but they messed something with the implementation and Musk will ne…

Guessing the app preloaded responses to the tweets you read?

That’s my guess. Or something on the “for you” tab

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Post by JadeNB »

Freedom2 wrote: post #475
JadeNB wrote: post #185

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All moderation is better when accompanied by descriptions of going hither and thither.

All? Even important service announcements or serious notifications? edit: why the downvotes? I'm simply trying to engage in curious discussion. Apologies, I'm neurodivergent and I can't often discern between humor or not.

> edit: why the downvotes? I'm simply trying to engage in curious discussion. Apologies, I'm neurodivergent and I can't often discern between humor or not.

I appreciate your willingness to ask questions, and your candor about neurodivergence. I wish it were easier to tell the difference on the internet between someone who's trolling and someone who just doesn't get the day's in-joke, and, unfortunately, since trolls are really good at seizing on the benefit of the doubt, it's often expedient to err on the side of harshness.

I was making a whimsical remark—not especially a joke, since there was no intended punchline. The words 'hither' and 'thither' used to be more common, but nowadays have more of an archaic flavor, so I found it funny to see them here. (I had not been aware of the context provided by SushiHippie (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36555921), so it was only an in-joke by lucky happenstance.)

Re: Tell HN: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode

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Post by qwerasdf5 »

minimaxir wrote: post #495
valval wrote: post #481

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Why? He’s not the one making claims. Do you have any idea how this works?

On Hacker News it's generally discouraged to post generic dismissals without counterarguments.

Correct. Only baseless conjecture is encouraged.

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Post by c-cube »

lljk_kennedy wrote: post #260
olalonde wrote: post #247

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It doesn't feel like that to me. Elon reported that Twitter hit a new all time high of "user seconds" last week. Reddit usage doesn't seem to have gone down much. In my opinion, what you are really experiencing is wishful thinking.

How is user seconds defined?

Users coming for seconds, because they've been rate limited and deprived of their dopamine hits.

Re: Tell HN: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode

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Post by throwaway743 »

So foes anyone have a solution for circum eating this using something like twint or the likes?

I legit just started scraping twitter for competitor info three days ago with it and now that's gone to shit. Could use selenium too but these rare limits...

Re: Tell HN: Twitter switched temporarily to rate limited mode

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Post by sumeno »

user_named wrote: post #549
Majromax wrote: post #416

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> Blue sales ultimately can't hope to come close to what big brand ads used to give. I don't know, I think the hope is there. With these rate limits and some Fermi estimates, we can guess what Twitter's hoped-for revenue per user might be. Suppose that this move is designed to move regular users over to Twitter Blue, and a regular user might ordinarily see 2000 tweets per day. Suppose further that Twitter would show…

Nope. Blue users aren't going to see ads at all.

Wrong, they see half the ads of regular users, and only on certain spots of the site

"Half ads: See approximately 50% fewer ads in the For You and Following timelines. As you scroll, you will see approximately twice as many organic or non-promoted Tweets placed in between promoted Tweets or ads. There may be times when there are more or fewer non-promoted Tweets between promoted Tweets. The half ads feature does not apply to promoted content elsewhere on Twitter, including but not limited to ads on profiles, ads in Tweet replies, promoted events in Explore, promoted trends, and promoted accounts to follow. Blue subscribers will have access to this feature after their account has been reviewed for eligibility and the blue checkmark has been applied."

https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/twitter-blue

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Post by Freedom2 »

JadeNB wrote: post #683
Freedom2 wrote: post #475

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All? Even important service announcements or serious notifications? edit: why the downvotes? I'm simply trying to engage in curious discussion. Apologies, I'm neurodivergent and I can't often discern between humor or not.

> edit: why the downvotes? I'm simply trying to engage in curious discussion. Apologies, I'm neurodivergent and I can't often discern between humor or not. I appreciate your willingness to ask questions, and your candor about neurodivergence. I wish it were easier to tell the difference on the internet between someone who's trolling and someone who just doesn't get the day's in-joke, and, unfortunately, since trolls…

Thank you, I appreciate it.

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Post by yosame »

silisili wrote: post #592
raverbashing wrote: post #303

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Except Google seems completely incompetent at creating new products (though maybe YT shorts is the exception that proves the point) and very bad at handling community

Call a spade a spade. YT shorts is a terribly named, half assed, years late copy.

Same with Instagram Reels, and they're also fairly popular.

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Post by mlyle »

partiallypro wrote: post #610
phpisthebest wrote: post #547

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>>I don't think this is because of the "end of cheap money" Explain just about all platforms doing revenue adjusting user hostile actions then? Examples include Reddit with the API fees, YT with the Ad Blocking blocking. etc This is all a reaction to the end of cheap money, aka the cost of capital is going up, so companies need to actually make revenue instead of chasing free capital >>I don't think this high interes…

Reddit over hired and is doing other stupid pricing models because they want to IPO, they filed confidential paperwork for an IPO last year. Twitter has been unprofitable since before Musk, and Musk's actions drove their revenue into the ground. Those aren't related to higher interest rates. What other examples do you have? Reddit and Twitter are bad examples. > There is no indication this true, most likely the "new…

They're not perfect examples. But what they're saying is:

* High returns from interest means the cost of capital is higher. Comparable safe investments return more, so investors demand more of a return from a riskier one.

* As a result, a lot fewer venture investments make sense with the higher discount rate.

* Companies cannot count on going back to the venture till, so high volatility strategies of chase-IPO-now or monetize-now are increasingly employed.

* Similarly, public companies desperately seek better fundamentals now, because future revenues are discounted so much in investors' opinions.

* As a result, a lot of companies enshittify, going after short term wins that risk the entire company's reputation..

As to the interest rate environment: the Fed has suggested a couple more interest rate hikes are likely later this year. It is likely to take quite awhile to walk rates down after inflationary pressures reduce. Current market prices imply rates will stay relatively high for the next few years.

No one really knows what an aging, contracting population will do to the interest rate environment. It's likely governments will have to borrow a bunch more, which can push up rates... And older workers seem to be more productive than models expected, which adds further upward rate pressure.

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