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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mthoms »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #678
mthoms wrote: post #669

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You presented yourself as an authority (native speaker) and provided a translation + opinion of her statement. You omitted the part about her crying, etc. Why? And why do you refuse to you update us on your opinion now that the omission has been pointed out? Again, the question: does your opinion of her statement change when considering the panicked crying (that you casually omitted) which was pointed out by another…

I never said I'm an authority, I simply posted a link to a translation and I said I checked it. People can choose to listen to me, or not. You made up the strawman that I'm positioning myself as an authority. My post was never supposed to be a full summary, and I never claimed that it is, so it's very strange that you attack me for not fully summarizing. Passages such as crying, feeling like a zombie, etc are already…

This is our 6th (or so) exchange on this matter and the first time you've even acknowledged that the crying wording exists(!). I've asked you what you think of the crying over and over and you repeatedly answer in vague terms like "people are free to listen to me if they want...", but never, not once, answering the very direct, very specific, and very simple question.

What do you make of the crying?

Do you not see how your attempt to skirt the question makes you look like an apologist and not a neutral commentator? Do you think people reading our exchanges won't notice?

>I think there is only one possible answer: you have a specific opinion that you want to force on others, so you are alarmed by others being exposed to more and original information.

I haven't disputed any "information" you've provided. Not once. The truth is exactly the opposite: I've been questioning your omission of key information.

>That's some chilling 1984 thought police behavior right there.

In a thread precisely about abuse of state power, with real lives at stake, this comment is tasteless. It's you who support the CCP in almost all your commentary here and on Twitter.

I hope you see the irony. Rest assured, people reading this will.

>Why are you so obsessed with this? ... What are you afraid of?

As someone with women in his family who have suffered sexual assault, I find your refusal to even acknowledge her crying, both sickening and cowardly. That's not even to mention your unwavering support for the CCP. But that will be on your conscience not mine.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mthoms »

dang wrote: post #594
mthoms wrote: post #405

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I stopped reading at “Libtards”. Which is a shame because it sounds like you might have some meaningful insight. Edit: Flagged for pointing out that childish snark (a clear violation of HN guidelines) ruined an otherwise good comment? Ok, then.

The GP definitely shouldn't have included that provocation. But your comment did something worse: you singled out the provocation and reacted purely to that. That's blowing on the flames, and users correctly flagged it. What we want HN users to do is leave provocations where they find them, and respond/build on the most interesting things in a comment/article/topic instead. We even promoted this to the official guide…

>you singled out the provocation and reacted purely to that.

Well I was actually trying to be constructive "it sounds like you might have some meaningful insight" but fair enough.

Some feedback: The problem with reacting to the most "interesting" part is that the rest of the comment is tainted by the obvious bias (and lack of maturity) presented. The whole thing comes off as bad faith by the commenter so engaging such a person thoughtfully feels like encouraging the behaviour.

Having said that, I realize the intent of the rule is to prevent escalation or amplification of such distractions. Next time I will flag and move on.

Thanks for the heads up and all you do for this community. Happy Holidays.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by gytdev »

motiejus wrote: post #200

I am Lithuanian; Lithuania Taiwan PRC conflict is frequently a topic of discussion these days among my peers. My position, shared by a few others, is that this is the next best thing that happened in Lithuania after leaving USSR: the first being joining NATO and EU in 2004. Everyone in the world can (and almost everyone do) endorse PRC. "You won't get fired for picking IBM/Oracle/PRC". While very few countries have t…

I am also Lithuanian. I totally disagree with Your position and see no justification why this is good for us.

You seem to be naive and ideological. We didn't do a lot of business with Taiwan previously, sure. But it's very small comparing to the amount of business we are losing to China. I don't know if You have noticed the rising prices of products in our country much faster than wages. It took 1-2 months to get a shipping container from China 6months ago. Now it takes 3-5 months. Prices are going up. Taking a political stance against China hurts our businesses, increases prices to us all. With the marginal benefit of a pat on the back from ideological people

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by gytdev »

Lithuanian here.

The situation in our country is very strange. I haven't seen so much chaos. This pro-USA anti-CCP propaganda is hurting us practically a lot.

Current situation in Lithuania:

-We have a big real-estate price boom, because people are putting all of their savings to real-estate, because money is losing value due to USA recently printing ludicrous amounts of money. Housing market is getting crazy.

-Prices of imported products are also going up because of the supply shortages in the market. Let's face it - Europe is dependent on China. A lot. And if only Lithuania take a stance against it, only we are going to take the hits.

-wages are increasing, but not as much as prices are going up.

For me it seems that the only ones that are getting the benefits for these anti-CCP stunts are the politicians and their groupies, who are getting patted on the back by USA, other ideologists and pro-"Lansbergis" (our foreign ministers grandfathers cult) people.

Me and my dad have a small business importing high-quality electrical products from China (yes China sells good products too. We tested them in laboratories). This political tension is not good. We are considering options to import not to Lithuania, but to Poland instead

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by clove »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #647
BrazzVuvuzela wrote: post #601

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He means the One China Policy. But CogitoCogito is right. China is only be "contained" by Taiwan in the hypothetical circumstance of a war; during peace time they obviously have no trouble sending ships around the world and are not contained in any sense. And the only reason they haven't been able to bring Taiwan into the fold is because they keep making psychotic violent threats. All China needs to do to completely…

Yes it was a typo. My bad :(

Hope your social credit score doesn't get dinged for this.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by clove »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #520
stickfigure wrote: post #294

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Taiwan is already an independent nation by all measures that anyone really cares about; the status quo is to their advantage. If China wants to change this, they are going to have to wage war by sending ships across the strait. Maybe the Taiwanese can defend their nation mostly by themselves; amphibious assault is not easy, even for major world powers. Even more difficult with satellites watching your (extensive) pre…

China does not have that much of a problem with the status quo. The status quo with the One China Policy has worked very well for decades. In fact, 2015, right before the DPP got to power, could be regarded as the height of cross-straight relations. Things only started going sour after the DPP started making moves towards true independence, and after the US sent increasing numbers of warships to China's back yard. It…

You are possibly the dumbest person on HN.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by clove »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #254
sudosysgen wrote: post #181

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Obviously they would. If China was democratic they would probably elect a more repressive and economically left wing government. At least that's until the private sector buys enough political influence. Democracy != Liberal democracy.

Hey I notice you're getting downvoted a lot. Wanna get in touch? Find my contact details in my profile. Twitter preferred

Recruiting more pro-CCP shills out in the open? You're slipping.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by CRConrad »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #444
jelly wrote: post #429

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Its incorrect to call opening an office for Taiwan a "rash, emotional move". It's a simple ackowledgement of the way things already are (two nations who talk and negotiate with each other) and helps Taiwan and France build their relationship. The concern is that the CCP will have a rash, emotional response (as they did with Lithuania) because they imagine they can set the terms for any Taiwan-related business. These…

France, like everyone else, has all the communications channels it needs with Taiwan, and does business with Taiwan as it sees fit, but I was not specifically referring to that but rather to closing the embassy in China and other actions against China.

How is closing an embassy an "action against" someone?

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by CRConrad »

cosmodisk wrote: post #420
vincnetas wrote: post #409

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deeper.com (NSFW) is not the right site. deeper.eu is the correct one ;)

I suppose deeper.com doesn't offer that much when it comes to hardware:)

Judging from your and the GP's comments (only; didn't go there), something there has to be hard.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by CRConrad »

Koiwai wrote: post #649
noirchen wrote: post #630

I feel it amused that people here are discussing what and how Lithuania and the west can do to 'confront' China, but everyone in east Asia knows that before the next Taiwan election in 2024, China will do something to achieve some sort of reunification, either by forcing the Taiwanese government back to the old One-China promise (which is unlikely because the pro-China KMT lost power long ago) or by toppling the pro-…

As a Chinese, I can't agree with you more.

Heh. That can be read at least two ways.
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