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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

greenhatglack wrote: post #420
SquishyPanda23 wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'll be contrarian Why do right-leaning libertarians always have to pretend they're being contrarians? It would be clearer to just say something like "if you're interested in a conservative take on this issue, check out Thomas Sowell."

Relax, I was contrarian in contrast to the parent, why bring your political baggage into the mix? I doubt your definition of "right leaning libertarian", belongs to someone who adheres to pragmatism, meritocracy, multiracialism and Asian values or communitarianism, right?

> why bring your political baggage into the mix?

That is my point. People were having a discussion with content and you dropped into a stock political response.

Leave your baggage out of it with your claim that people espouse anti-racism for the money, your shots at high tax countries and your need to link to political dogma.

I get that it's free karma on HN, but it lowers the quality of the discussion.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by gerland »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #669
gerland wrote: post #651

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Can you recommend anything? I do enjoy the content here, and some of the people are really great, but the level of wokeness is just absurd. I got some people chasing me from here on other networks just because I dared to say my opinion. Thanks for speaking your mind btw. Obviously you had to be downvoted as well

Aren't you people the ones always saying we don't need any safe spaces?

First, I don't know what people I belong to in your little fantasy, but please be so kind as to share.

Second, there is a difference between a space in which you can say anything and a place that you can say only the things you are allowed to say. In the first case you have a public discourse, in the second you have public outrage. Essentially HN is becoming a safe space for woke people.

Do you not really see anything wrong with stalking people online, or for that matter even in real life, just because they have different opinions than you?

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by scrollaway »

churchillracist wrote: post #675
scrollaway wrote: post #655

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It sounds like a lot of these are just people being clueless who Sundar is, not necessarily biased to thinking "he's Indian, so he can't be one of the most powerful people in tech". I don't know Sundar well enough to recognize him in the streets or at a press event if I haven't spoken to him first. Same goes for a lot of CEOs of various ethnicities.

Is it normal to have someone you've never met pull your lanyard like that without asking for permission first?

No, that guy just sounds like a dick. It doesn't matter where you're from.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by commandlinefan »

PascLeRasc wrote: post #669
gerland wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you recommend anything? I do enjoy the content here, and some of the people are really great, but the level of wokeness is just absurd. I got some people chasing me from here on other networks just because I dared to say my opinion. Thanks for speaking your mind btw. Obviously you had to be downvoted as well

Aren't you people the ones always saying we don't need any safe spaces?

He's not looking for a safe space, he's just looking for a space he won't be deleted from.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by textgel »

DagAgren wrote: post #680
textgel wrote: post #677

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Yes those are dictionary's for definitions of words not a repository of debate tactics; if you'd checked you'd also notice that there's no entry for "motte and bailey falacy", "Appeal to Ignorance" or "appeal to authority"; funnily enough it doesnt prevent those existing either.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/... Still not seeing it.

Well yes if you purely limit yourself to a single college of liberal arts list of definitions then you won't, however search engines are your friend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

And desperately clinging to any page-not-found of whatever website you can find to display it isn't exactly the most secure display of debate.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by gerland »

qdiencdxqd wrote: post #653
gerland wrote: post #651

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you recommend anything? I do enjoy the content here, and some of the people are really great, but the level of wokeness is just absurd. I got some people chasing me from here on other networks just because I dared to say my opinion. Thanks for speaking your mind btw. Obviously you had to be downvoted as well

What's your public key? I don't want to drop names in plaintext because I don't want my favorite communities to be targeted by anything resembling an angry mob (not a certainty, but stranger things have happened).

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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by jiggunjer »

P-ala-din wrote: post #648
bmn__ wrote: post #525

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> The very fact they find it necessary to use a different word to describe themselves, "expats", than what they call foreigners who live in their countries, "immigrants", shows that they do not at all consider themselves to be in any way similar. I was taught these are two words for different concepts. An immigrant expects to take permanent residence in a foreign country, an expatriate – temporarily. The former doing…

> I do not have any sympathy for immigrants refusing to integrate? what do you mean by integrate? are immigrants allowed to speak their native tongue, dress differently or act differently? does Integration to you mean the complete erasure of their past identities? because that what the German in the pub seems to think.

I think he refers to self isolation. Those immigrant communities mentioned tend to never marry any locals (not for lack supply, but because they reject western values) or attend local social events, despite speaking German.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by buran77 »

eythian wrote: post #678
buran77 wrote: post #672

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> everyone self-identifies as an expat Of course they do. The question is how does everyone around you see you. It does make a bit of a difference if the job lead to switching countries (mostly "expat"), or switching country lead to getting a job (mostly "immigrant"). But this detail is buried pretty deep, people will most likely first find out where you're from (by asking, or accent, etc.) and that will determine th…

I was addressing the original point which was "Notice how only white people ever choose to consider themselves to be "expats"", which in my experience is not true. > people will most likely first find out where you're from (by asking, or accent, etc.) and that will determine their first and longest lasting opinion. Perhaps. Where I live there are a lot of Turkish immigrants, for example (mostly they/their parents mov…

> there are a lot of Turkish immigrants

This exemplifies my point perfectly. Even though you go on to write that some were born in the country, they are still "Turkish immigrants" not "expats" or [that country's] citizens. Some may be considered expats by you now but walking down the street I can assure you people see "immigrants".

Say "British immigrants", or "US immigrants", or "German immigrants" and see how that rolls off the tongue. Now say "Polish immigrants", or "African immigrants", or "Mexican immigrants".

English has this distinct connotation for the word "immigrant" and it's associated with individuals overwhelmingly based on their country of origin (the poorer the country, the more "immigranty" the person).

I am a white male coming from a reasonably developed and civilized second world country (literal and figurative definitions apply) to follow a high end job. Yet the second I open my mouth I am very much an "immigrant" in the eyes of most locals.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by DagAgren »

textgel wrote: post #685
DagAgren wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/... Still not seeing it.

Well yes if you purely limit yourself to a single college of liberal arts list of definitions then you won't, however search engines are your friend https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies And desperately clinging to any page-not-found of whatever website you can find to display it isn't exactly the most secure display of debate.

Ah yes, Wikipedia, with one source form a libertarian propaganda rag. Very reputable.

Nobody but libertarians looking for excuses for racism use that term, deal with it.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by pdonis »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #657
pdonis wrote: post #423

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> isn’t it also important to appropriately identify and address the most disenfranchised group when we want to talk about how to help systemic violations of human rights? Back in the 1960s, yes, that was a reasonable approach, and we took it. In your coding analogy, we believed there was a specific bug and started applying patches to address it. But we've been doing that for more than half a century now and it hasn't…

Arguably, no we haven’t been doing that for more than half a century now. There was a backlash after the initial push in the 1970s that clawed back a lot of gains and several places (Eg New York City) are still highly segregated in its schooling (and gotten more segregated over time).

> There was a backlash after the initial push in the 1970s

That doesn't mean we haven't been trying to fix racism for more than half a century. It just means the "fix" hasn't been working.

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