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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by gerland »

qdiencdxqd wrote: post #632
gerland wrote: post #615

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I don't share the exact same opinions as you, but I can understand where you're coming from. All I can say is, leave Hacker News and find communities of nicer people to talk to who won't down vote you for speaking your mind. The might even engage in civil, polite conversation with you. It worked for me. I never post here anymore (I created this throwaway account because it's better for my career to appear squeaky-cle…

Can you recommend anything? I do enjoy the content here, and some of the people are really great, but the level of wokeness is just absurd. I got some people chasing me from here on other networks just because I dared to say my opinion. Thanks for speaking your mind btw. Obviously you had to be downvoted as well

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Post by dynamite-ready »

flippyhead wrote: post #630
ibudiallo wrote: post #140

I usually choose to believe in "the honest mistake". It happens, two people walk in, one of them is the CEO, you assume it is the one on the right. And then when you realize it is a mistake, you apologize. We are only human. But when it happens over and over and over, you can't help but feel frustrated. You realize that people natural instinct is to think you are the subordinate. One second your are on stage at Techc…

My personal strategy to avoid this is to just ask the person I think is least likely to be the CEO or whatever. If you are wrong, often the recipient feels flattered.

Yes, but try doing that, when the CEO has a name that clearly matches their ethnicity.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by qdiencdxqd »

gerland wrote: post #651
qdiencdxqd wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't share the exact same opinions as you, but I can understand where you're coming from. All I can say is, leave Hacker News and find communities of nicer people to talk to who won't down vote you for speaking your mind. The might even engage in civil, polite conversation with you. It worked for me. I never post here anymore (I created this throwaway account because it's better for my career to appear squeaky-cle…

Can you recommend anything? I do enjoy the content here, and some of the people are really great, but the level of wokeness is just absurd. I got some people chasing me from here on other networks just because I dared to say my opinion. Thanks for speaking your mind btw. Obviously you had to be downvoted as well

What's your public key? I don't want to drop names in plaintext because I don't want my favorite communities to be targeted by anything resembling an angry mob (not a certainty, but stranger things have happened).

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by gerland »

wwright wrote: post #624
gerland wrote: post #615

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So you are saying that although black people are around 1/8 of the US population, we should hire only around 2% black people, because otherwise we would be wasting more intelligent people on manual labor? You realize the implicit argument there, right?

I say you should hire the people who hve the skills and do the work, not trying to hire 1/8 blacks just because. If I would guess, I would say that the reason for that disparity is the average economical status and environment. I've lived among the white trash long enough to know that most of them won't go anywhere, and it's not entirely their own fault. Why should a struggling white kid have it any different than a black kid? That's just pure racism. Trying to make every poverty stricken black successful will have the same effect that trying to elevate all the poor in every other race. Why should it be reserved for some special priviledge group?

Don't put words in my mouth, you sound like CNN "journalist".

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Post by scrollaway »

churchillracist wrote: post #578
forgot_user1234 wrote: post #552

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I haven't heard about this incident BUT it still doesn't shows why there are so many indian CEOs. I really doubt that it's the norm. Look at the numbers not the anecdotes. There are disproportionate number of Indian CEOs. It would have been impossible with racism and what not.

Multiple of these incidents have happened to Sundar. ""What are you, press?," asked the Samsung representative. After being let in - Pichai was inquisitive about Samsung's new smart fridge. The profile reveals similar incidents happened multiple times over at CES." "Even after looking at the name on his badge, the rep had no clue that this curious, friendly inquisitor was one of the most powerful people in technology…

It sounds like a lot of these are just people being clueless who Sundar is, not necessarily biased to thinking "he's Indian, so he can't be one of the most powerful people in tech".

I don't know Sundar well enough to recognize him in the streets or at a press event if I haven't spoken to him first. Same goes for a lot of CEOs of various ethnicities.

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Post by scooble »

hef19898 wrote: post #614
scooble wrote: post #563

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"Racism against white people? Definetly notin the wstern world." Iirc, in the UK, around half of victims of race hate crimes are white.

Official government numbers (the full report can be found here: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-... , race starts at page 15 of the PDF): - Percentage of adults affected by hate crime by ethnicity 2015/16 to 2017/18: White 0.1, Mixed 0.5, Asian 1.1, Black/African/Caribean/Black British 0.6 and other 1.0 - Same, by religion: Chistian 0.1, Buddhist 0.1, Hindu 0.7, Muslim 1.5, other 0.5, none…

The figures you quote are the percentage of victims by ethnicity. So, for example, the number of black people who have been victims of hate crime. I was referring to the total number of victims by race. I suspect the latter number was in my memory because of how these, and similar, figures have been reported in the past. E.g. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race.

Some back of the envelope calculations suggest that my 'roughly half' is correct given the figures you provide. Of 1000 people in the UK, 920 will be white, and 80 non-white. Given the rate of white hate crime victimisation you gave, .92 white people in that 1000 will be a victim of hate crime. If we lump all the non-white people together and use the highest rate of victimisation (Asian:1.1%) that gives us .88 non-white victims.

The comment I replied to claimed that racism against white people does not exist in the western world. That claim does not appear to be true.

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Post by TeaDrunk »

pdonis wrote: post #423
TeaDrunk wrote: post #305

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But isn’t it also important to appropriately identify and address the most disenfranchised group when we want to talk about how to help systemic violations of human rights? I mean, if I was debugging something and ignored the segfault because it only happened in one piece of the code, and I only solve bugs that apply to the entire codebase, I’d be a shit engineer

> isn’t it also important to appropriately identify and address the most disenfranchised group when we want to talk about how to help systemic violations of human rights? Back in the 1960s, yes, that was a reasonable approach, and we took it. In your coding analogy, we believed there was a specific bug and started applying patches to address it. But we've been doing that for more than half a century now and it hasn't…

Arguably, no we haven’t been doing that for more than half a century now. There was a backlash after the initial push in the 1970s that clawed back a lot of gains and several places (Eg New York City) are still highly segregated in its schooling (and gotten more segregated over time).

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Post by pkilgore »

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #494
dgb23 wrote: post #291

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> You wouldn't believe how lonely it is. In my team of 150 people, we were two black people. This is a huge part of the problem isn't it? I believe these painful interactions would be much less common if tech culture were more diverse in the first place. Women share a similar fate. Whenever I hear some of these stories I cringe. Some of them are surprising/shocking even. But this seems important. Hearing those storie…

> This is a huge part of the problem isn't it? I think this is the problem. Say a black guy with gold teeth, tons of tattoos and colorful dreadlocks and a middle aged white guy walk in. One of them is a rapper. Who is it? Based on experience, most people will certainly assume the black guy is. What if it turns out it’s the white guy? Are they unconsciously racist against white people or are they just following experi…

This is what is meant by systemic racism.

> If black people in tech become more common this particular problem will solve itself.

I suspect there will not be more black people in tech, until they are not treated differently based on skin color.

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Post by 3nob9sh3nsOwn »

zasz wrote: post #188
nsporillo wrote: post #174

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What exactly are the powers and material structures that contribute to the perceived racism in our society? From my limited understanding of this position, it sounds like the goal is a dismantling of police and courts which form the backbone of a civil rule of law society.

Systematic exclusion of black people from social programs, like the GI Bill and Social Security, and redlining, which prevented black Americans from building up wealth through homeownership the way white Americans were. "The Color of Law" is a good book on redlining. To expand on the bit about Social Security, farmworkers were excluded, since farmworkers tend to be not white. It was a nice sneaky way to be racist wit…

Adolph Reed has written on the Social Security exclusions that you're referencing, and the issue is not so clear cut: [1].

The initial iteration of Social Security excluded many types of temporary and informal labor. Although black workers were disproportionately impacted by these exclusions, the large majority (about 75%) of people who were excluded were white. One possible reason why these exclusions were in place is that getting accurate payroll figures for informal jobs is difficult. In any case, these exclusions were lifted between 1950 and 1955.

Keep in mind that Social Security was not the only New Deal program, and things like the Public Works Administration disproportionately benefited African Americans. The New Deal was extremely popular among African Americans, and is one of the major reasons why most African Americans switched over to voting for the Democratic Party. That's what makes the recent narrative that the New Deal was racist (and to blame for today's disparities) so strange.

1. https://newrepublic.com/article/155704/new-deal-wasnt-intrin...

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Post by hef19898 »

scooble wrote: post #656
hef19898 wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Official government numbers (the full report can be found here: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-... , race starts at page 15 of the PDF): - Percentage of adults affected by hate crime by ethnicity 2015/16 to 2017/18: White 0.1, Mixed 0.5, Asian 1.1, Black/African/Caribean/Black British 0.6 and other 1.0 - Same, by religion: Chistian 0.1, Buddhist 0.1, Hindu 0.7, Muslim 1.5, other 0.5, none…

The figures you quote are the percentage of victims by ethnicity. So, for example, the number of black people who have been victims of hate crime. I was referring to the total number of victims by race. I suspect the latter number was in my memory because of how these, and similar, figures have been reported in the past. E.g. https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/22/ukcrime.race . Some back of the envelope calculat…

Murder =/= hate crime, so murder has nothing to do with racism against white people. by the way, the comment was mine.

Forget back-off-envelop calculations, take official numbers. And that is 25% for London.

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