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For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by pnako »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #621
somethoughts wrote: post #207

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Yes definitely there is a group of people who are outright racist in the typically defined sense. And the group which can self-identify as racist is probably very small (unfortunately). The group which can self-identify as biased is probably much larger (fortunately?). The challenge is that by naming/labeling the big discussion systemic racism, its possible for a much larger (and perhaps more influential) group of pe…

>a group of people who are outright racist // That group is perhaps ironically the most racial diverse group one could conceive.

"Xenophobes of all countries, unite!"

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Post by buran77 »

eythian wrote: post #599
javieranton wrote: post #535

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Expat = white/pale skin immigrant. Racial entitlement continues to this day. Notice how only white people ever choose to consider themselves to be "expats"

That's certainly not my experience, as someone who relocated to a European capital for work. I work with people from all over with various skin colours, and pretty much everyone everyone self-identifies as an expat. The main difference seems to be whether they're people moving there to make a new life in a new place, and the work is secondary vs. it's the work that gets them to move (and if you move for work, it's pr…

> everyone self-identifies as an expat

Of course they do. The question is how does everyone around you see you.

It does make a bit of a difference if the job lead to switching countries (mostly "expat"), or switching country lead to getting a job (mostly "immigrant"). But this detail is buried pretty deep, people will most likely first find out where you're from (by asking, or accent, etc.) and that will determine their first and longest lasting opinion.

Black Americans in the UK are considered expats while white Bosnians are considered immigrants.

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Post by freddie_mercury »

christophilus wrote: post #595
nicolas_t wrote: post #486

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Anecdotal but I've lived in different Asian countries for the last 15 years and my experience is that expats who live in compounds geared toward their nationality, never eat local food and never bothered to learn the local language tend to also be very racist. You'll hear them non-stop complaining about the locals or making sarcastic comments about them, about them having no manners, not speaking English properly (ir…

Why were they living there, if they despised those cultures? (Genuine question, not rhetorical.)

For work. To make money.

It is, by far, the main reason anyone anywhere moves to a new country.

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Post by hef19898 »

scooble wrote: post #664
hef19898 wrote: post #660

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Murder =/= hate crime, so murder has nothing to do with racism against white people. by the way, the comment was mine. Forget back-off-envelop calculations, take official numbers. And that is 25% for London.

Racially motivated murders, which the article is about, are hate crimes. As such, they are prosecuted as hate crimes in the UK. The calculation I made was from official figures. A smaller percentage of a larger demographic can make up a large percentage of the total. Even if you want to ignore every number except your 25%, those white victims of racially motivated hate crimes presumably exist, do they not?

I go with official government numbers first in cases like that. period. And what makes you think police forgot to include the murders you mentioned in the official numbers?

Not some calculation I cannot follw. Not press reports. And unless you go and read the official report (there is even a spreadsheet, so you can use prime sources directly), I gonna stop now.

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Post by churchillracist »

scrollaway wrote: post #655
churchillracist wrote: post #578

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Multiple of these incidents have happened to Sundar. ""What are you, press?," asked the Samsung representative. After being let in - Pichai was inquisitive about Samsung's new smart fridge. The profile reveals similar incidents happened multiple times over at CES." "Even after looking at the name on his badge, the rep had no clue that this curious, friendly inquisitor was one of the most powerful people in technology…

It sounds like a lot of these are just people being clueless who Sundar is, not necessarily biased to thinking "he's Indian, so he can't be one of the most powerful people in tech". I don't know Sundar well enough to recognize him in the streets or at a press event if I haven't spoken to him first. Same goes for a lot of CEOs of various ethnicities.

Is it normal to have someone you've never met pull your lanyard like that without asking for permission first?

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Post by textgel »

DagAgren wrote: post #668
textgel wrote: post #667

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Well lets see... oh that's odd, that meaningless term appears to have a real meaning https://debate.fandom.com/wiki/Kafka_Trap . Now why would you be willing to lie about that? Seems it's a perfectly accepted logical fallacy; and the only people who deny it are the sjw crowd largely because it is such a favoured tactic within their ranks.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/kafkatrap?s=t https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kafkatrap https://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=kafka...

Yes those are dictionary's for definitions of words not a repository of debate tactics; if you'd checked you'd also notice that there's no entry for "motte and bailey falacy", "Appeal to Ignorance" or "appeal to authority"; funnily enough it doesnt prevent those existing either.

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Post by eythian »

buran77 wrote: post #672
eythian wrote: post #599

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That's certainly not my experience, as someone who relocated to a European capital for work. I work with people from all over with various skin colours, and pretty much everyone everyone self-identifies as an expat. The main difference seems to be whether they're people moving there to make a new life in a new place, and the work is secondary vs. it's the work that gets them to move (and if you move for work, it's pr…

> everyone self-identifies as an expat Of course they do. The question is how does everyone around you see you. It does make a bit of a difference if the job lead to switching countries (mostly "expat"), or switching country lead to getting a job (mostly "immigrant"). But this detail is buried pretty deep, people will most likely first find out where you're from (by asking, or accent, etc.) and that will determine th…

I was addressing the original point which was "Notice how only white people ever choose to consider themselves to be "expats"", which in my experience is not true.

> people will most likely first find out where you're from (by asking, or accent, etc.) and that will determine their first and longest lasting opinion.

Perhaps. Where I live there are a lot of Turkish immigrants, for example (mostly they/their parents moved in the 60s/70s.) At the same time I work with people who are Turkish who moved here for work, often in the past several years. I suspect that given the situation, the latter would still be considered expats and the former immigrants.

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Post by jiggunjer »

pkilgore wrote: post #658
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #494

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> This is a huge part of the problem isn't it? I think this is the problem. Say a black guy with gold teeth, tons of tattoos and colorful dreadlocks and a middle aged white guy walk in. One of them is a rapper. Who is it? Based on experience, most people will certainly assume the black guy is. What if it turns out it’s the white guy? Are they unconsciously racist against white people or are they just following experi…

This is what is meant by systemic racism. > If black people in tech become more common this particular problem will solve itself. I suspect there will not be more black people in tech, until they are not treated differently based on skin color.

> systemic racism

Can't we just call it Bayesian profiling?

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by DagAgren »

textgel wrote: post #677
DagAgren wrote: post #668

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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/kafkatrap?s=t https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kafkatrap https://dictionary.cambridge.org/spellcheck/english/?q=kafka...

Yes those are dictionary's for definitions of words not a repository of debate tactics; if you'd checked you'd also notice that there's no entry for "motte and bailey falacy", "Appeal to Ignorance" or "appeal to authority"; funnily enough it doesnt prevent those existing either.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/...

Still not seeing it.

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