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Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by Copernicron »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #646
Copernicron wrote: post #636

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> Paid e-mail addresses are not meaningless, but they're harder to justify in most people's eyes. It's not just paid email addresses. It's paid anything. My father constantly pesters me to tell him where he can get free movies, music, software and so on. He wanted to know where he could make unlimited online backups for free and I told him that stuff costs money. Somehow people have gotten it in their heads that if i…

The thing is that a lot of things ARE free - or, there is a free option available. Piracy is a great example, because it is (was?) free, convenient, and you have pretty much an unlimited selection. Streaming services like Netflix and digital game delivery like Steam have made it easier and more trustworthy than piracy.

You're right that streaming services have made things easier and more trustworthy. Some people are just cheap and don't want to pay when someone else can pay. I just tell him that he shouldn't pirate things because he doesn't know how to stay safe when doing so. After all, this is the man who has trouble finding porn on the internet.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by danillonunes »

adminu wrote: post #535
eftpotrm wrote: post #513

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In fairness - much as I like desktop Firefox, Android Firefox has never felt as slick as Android Chrome. I'd love to switch, but it's got to be good enough.

I think FF Focus is absolutely brilliant an mobile and for everything else (except Facebook) I use firefox with ublock origin. It performs very well and I can nicely sync my passwords and tabs to my other devices.

Firefox Focus used to be based on Blink, which explains its responsiveness.

I think they switched to Gecko lately, but not sure if is still as fast.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by dreamdu5t »

dman wrote: post #217
Sylos wrote: post #210

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Servo is nowhere near ready. It's been a few months since I've seen actual results, but I'd be surprised, if it nowadays completed ACID3 (which was state of the art for browsers in 2009). The thing is that rewriting a browser engine doesn't just happen over night. No bigger browser engine has been written from scratch since the previous millennium. Also, no browser engine implements all currently specified webstandar…

Maybe we need simpler standards? Ones that are implementable without spending a billion dollars.

We have them. HTML/HTTP work great, but the DOM and JS APIs are out of control, and their surface area has no end in sight.

The web actually works great without JS, and doesn’t require gigs of memory to browse.

Every month there’s some new JS API being proposed or developed for browsers, with no care for its impact on the web. The JS APIs are still growing and only getting more complicated too! service workers is a perfect example of the problem. Offline browsing worked great 20 fucking years ago, but now multithreaded Turing complete programming languages have to be used to view a website offline. It’s absolutely absurd.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by josho »

Copernicron wrote: post #636
bayindirh wrote: post #526

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The problem with GMail is, it's too convenient to use, and relatively secure because of 2FA support. Also, people (including me) think that some newsletters, some bills and receipts are not very personal, so people don't care. I have two main addresses, one is from a local provider and my all financial e-mails and other stuff is coming to that e-mail address, however they don't encrypt anything. I also just got a fre…

> Paid e-mail addresses are not meaningless, but they're harder to justify in most people's eyes. It's not just paid email addresses. It's paid anything. My father constantly pesters me to tell him where he can get free movies, music, software and so on. He wanted to know where he could make unlimited online backups for free and I told him that stuff costs money. Somehow people have gotten it in their heads that if i…

> Somehow people have gotten it in their heads that if it's on the internet it's free

The VC funding model of investing for growth has helped to create this perception. The sad consequence is that this has made it difficult to run companies that don’t scale to sizes that interest VC investments.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by agumonkey »

zymhan wrote: post #656
agumonkey wrote: post #446

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All I can tell is that ffx quantum is the only program that triggers that behavior. And it's not seconds it's maybe one second. 70-80-90 off.

Run Prime95 on torture mode and then tell me it's just Firefox. Because what you've said makes no sense.

I don't care a single second what you think about what I said.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by agumonkey »

pcwalton wrote: post #618
agumonkey wrote: post #600

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Note that I'm not blaming ffx, just witnessing something weird and wondering if it's due to using rust parallelism in ways not done through the usual cpp libs.

Very doubtful. The only thing I could think of that might conceivably cause similar symptoms would be AVX2, but none of our shipping Rust code uses that.

Odd then. I wasn't even using a specific webpage, just loading the previous session (~20tabs of average intensiveness). Chromium has the same kind of session and it never causes similar heat spikes. Anyway I'll try to reproduce it even though it's not pleasing to overheat like that.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #645
internalfx wrote: post #597

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I have run a Zimbra server for several years now, it's a full size enterprise grade email server. I can run it on a $10 droplet from Digital Ocean. $10 is kinda high just for my email, but the bonus is I host _all_ my family's mail. Wife, kids even mom and dad! It's been nice not being concerned about email privacy. Zimbra is a great piece of software. I think more people should look into it.

I don't trust myself enough to run my own mail server; did you set up your own backups? What's the uptime / SLA (not that gmail has any but still)? Do you need to set up and manage security yourself?

I am not running a mail server on DO, but I do have several other services on their VMs, and they will do automated backups for you for a few USD per month.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by bayindirh »

wwright wrote: post #678
bayindirh wrote: post #526

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The problem with GMail is, it's too convenient to use, and relatively secure because of 2FA support. Also, people (including me) think that some newsletters, some bills and receipts are not very personal, so people don't care. I have two main addresses, one is from a local provider and my all financial e-mails and other stuff is coming to that e-mail address, however they don't encrypt anything. I also just got a fre…

> BTW, I never store anything which makes me uncomfortable, anywhere incl. my brain. That's a much better way of living. Not that privacy conscious people is hiding something, but that's my policy. That is a better way of living, but it’s a harder choice for a lot of people. With recent political trends towards the far right, it could become a harder choice for even more.

> With recent political trends towards the far right, it could become a harder choice for even more.

Yes, you're right. The climate worldwide is not the kindest recently. BTW, with uncomfortable I didn't mean opinions or ideas, but anything which will embrass you or put you in a hard situation if revealed.

As a corollary, this means living an honest life and telling what you think. Generally violence doesn't born from ideas themselves, but the way these ideas are told. So talking politely and without attacking the other side results in a reasonable discourse in most cases. Disagreement is in the nature of communication, and if can be managed well, it's very beneficial to both parties.

Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%

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Post by qwertay »

moccachino wrote: post #489
bad_user wrote: post #480

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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…

To be fair it does take much more than $20 worth of effort to migrate all your stuff from gmail. How much more I don't know since I've yet to do it, even though I've been paying for another email service for more than a year.

Took me 2 seconds. set my gmail account to move everything to my new email and then copy/pasted all the emails using thunderbird
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