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Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

npunt wrote: post #674
vezzy-fnord wrote: post #550

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I like how "multiple windows" is suddenly considered an advanced feature. You're confusing simplicity with ease of use. Adding a layer of indirection over the intrinsic file system is not simple, and even ease of use is debatable, since it creates an impedance mismatch by definition. Nor is there any reason to consider this a zero-sum game. Having advanced features does not deprive the common user of their comfort, a…

> I'm of course not the target audience for iPads, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking they're anything but a toy. iPads have been getting a lot of productivity improvements lately, however many have decided they're just a toy and in doing so have been rather blind to their advance. To just name one, extensions allow inter-app handoff and are quite powerful at this point and well received by iOS devs and power…

But that's cool, lets all keep dragging files around with a mouse or typing in terminal and wait where did I save that file I was just working on again?

How are those things innate to having a hierarchical file system? A straw man if I ever saw one.

Mainframe guys said the exact same thing about minicomputers.

And they were right. Minicomputers didn't take in definitively until they became self-hosting.

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Post by coldtea »

rbanffy wrote: post #660
coldtea wrote: post #486

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> the once innovative company is now playing catch up Apple never did the VERY first products of a category. There was Xerox before Lisa, PDAs before Newton, mp3 players before the iPod, smartphones before the iPhone, tablets before the iPad, smartwatches before the Apple Watch, etc. The only did the first products of a category that were where at least half-thought out (instead of rushed crap), and people actually w…

To be fair, both Lisa and Newton failed.

Lisa yes, but Mac the v2 version of the same idea, carried the company for the next 15 years.

Newton is a more clear cut failure -- but was too ahead of its time as most things one would want just werent there (internet would be a biggie).

Re: Apple Unveils the iPad Pro

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Post by npunt »

listic wrote: post #333
slg wrote: post #24

It is interesting comparing Microsoft and Apple's convertible tablet strategy. Microsoft's devices use the full OS and are basically laptops first and tablets second while Apple is doing the opposite. If this is truly designed to be "Pro" as in enterprise , I think Microsoft's strategy is going to lead to more productive and therefore better enterprise devices. EDIT: And after the price is revealed the scales tip a l…

Keep in mind that Microsoft spent 2 generations before converging on the current strategy: 'non-Pro' Surfaces 1 and 2 were ARM-powered Windows RT devices that could only run Windows Store apps (similar to iPad). When noone seemed to want that, Microsoft went out and made 'non-Pro' Surface 3 just a cheaper, slimmer, lower-powered device, running the same version of Windows as its bigger sibling; also non-Pro was relea…

If a device has a frankenchip, it's guaranteed to be stuck with frankenapps. Which is exactly the state of Surface unfortunately.

Its kinda heresy to say here, but good software is only possible when devs adapt to the platform users choose, not the other way around.

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Post by jsz0 »

mamon wrote: post #398
camillomiller wrote: post #366

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This comment is exactly why HN won't never understand anything about Apple announcements. Highly technical folks, unable to get out of their technical bias, reprimanding the extremely successful decision makers of a successful company because they pretend to know the matter, while completely ignoring the real world scenarios that actually drive Apple products sales.

It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple. Take the last year's iPhone 6 as an example: HN members complained about small screen sizes for a long time, and it took Steve Job's death to actually make that happen, but gues what? iPhone 6 is most succesfull iPhone ever. Apple did some innovations few years ago (original iPhone, iPad), but since then most of new features in Apple products are taken…

> It is not a "technical bias", it is more your bias towards Apple.

Preference or bias? No random person commenting on Hacker News is obligated to be unbiased. We're allowed to have preferences still right? My preferences might be different depending on different contexts. I rarely order cocktail sauce to put on my chocolate ice cream but I also rarely order whip cream to put on my shrimp. That doesn't make me bias against cocktail sauce or whip cream.

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Post by developer1 »

coldtea wrote: post #598
hkmurakami wrote: post #517

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It's limited by global macroeconomics, which is still raising its ceilings.

Actually it's also limited by tons of factors: competition, fashion, etc. People have been announcing the "end" of the iPhone and iPhone killers ever since 2008 (that was BS of course, but it still can happen that some revision, e.g. 6s sells less than the previous). iPad for example has had that happening to it (later revision sold less well).

iPad is much more niche compared to iPhone. Not everyone wants/needs a consumer device to lounge around with for the price point. Everyone wants a phone. And to people like me, the iPad keyboard is simply unusable in landscape mode. Has this changed? No idea why they insist(ed) on stretching the keyboard across the entire screen instead of leaving half of the keyboard accessible to either side with thumbs. Even if the keyboard has been updated, the larger form factors are just too large and clunky for 2-handed use.

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Post by Spooky23 »

qyv wrote: post #552
jff wrote: post #47

Predicted by a 3 year old comic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large

The weird part for me is that everyone I know who tried an iPad for getting work done (ie: PROfessionals) gave up on it. iOS is simply not geared towards productivity nor content creation, it is a consumption device. The surface pro is the exact opposite, it is a machine that works for getting shit done on the go (for some people, not all obviously).

You're the wrong kind of user. I do end user architecture in a large enterprise, we ran into this with a lot of early adopters.

People who are mobile (as in floating around an office or travel) whose job tasks are easily attributable to specific applications are very happy with iPads. Ideally, the number of applications they use every day on a traditional PC is less than 5. Examples: Sales, Executives, auditors, policemen, medical professionals, case workers.

We had one group of auditors who literally sent my team a $200 fruit basket in appreciation for their iPads. The card said something like "You changed our lives. Thank you!" Executives spend 95% of their day in mail or approving things... again, perfect use case as long as that workflow doesn't require IE6 :)

If you're a consultant, whose specific tasks may change day to day, a full-stack devops guy using any of 15 tools, or a professional writer churning out copy, than an iPad doesn't work. That's ok... a $500 nailgun doesn't make sense for hanging a picture. We have the luxury of choosing tools these days... in 1999, mobile == 12 lb laptop with cable!

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

robotresearcher wrote: post #385
cyrus_ wrote: post #351

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Apple is a US company and the keynote is in the US. Inches are not considered "uncool" nor "old fashioned" in the US. The US tried switching to metric many years ago, but it didn't work. I'm sure their localized advertising for other countries lists the dimensions in metric units.

Nope. The UK and German stores give e.g. iPad Air 2 thickness in mm, weight in grams and screen size in inches. They are sticking to inches deliberately for screen measurement. They even use the German 9,7" instead of the US/UK 9.7" so it's not that they forgot to translate.

This is because technology is US centric, and the U.S. uses inches, therefore they are the standard measure for diagonal screen size no matter where you are.

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Post by sigmar »

dendory wrote: post #620
nawitus wrote: post #368

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How do you define dominating mobile? There are far more Android smartphones.

Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind. Apple makes more profit than any phone company in the world, by a very large margin. That == Dominating mobile.

>Apple sells more phones than any company in the world, with Samsung close behind.

what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_mobile_ph...

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Post by rjurney »

iolothebard wrote: post #658
rjurney wrote: post #631

I am continuously amused at how the startup tech crowd can't see how innovative Apple products are... and yet they inevitably chase the markets Apple creates a few years later. For most of you, I would suggest that the innovation in the web and mobile spaces were the development of the platforms, and your web/mobile app does not constitute innovation. In other words, you have no idea what innovation looks like.

And this is the most amazing thing ever: http://www.relato.io/ Your smug is leaking.

Mapping markets constitutes basic research. Product aside, it is important work. Understanding markets better makes them more efficient.

Is this new? http://oreilly.com/go/mapbigdata It is the first data driven market report. What have you done first?

What are you building that is new or ambitious?

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Post by Aldo_MX »

gress wrote: post #651
Aldo_MX wrote: post #121

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You can run not only Windows Apps but Android Apps and Chrome Apps

There are no serious pro Android apps, and Chrome Apps are not touch typically designed for touch, so this changes nothing.

I use this in my surface tablet, the performance is great, it doesn't even feel it's emulated:

http://www.amiduos.com/

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