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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Rochus »

reddalo wrote: post #548
drnick1 wrote: post #467

I am the only one to think that these days, GNOME and KDE are more usable than anything made by Microsoft or Apple? I think part of the reason is that devs working on these projects don't have an incentive to make arbitrary changes like people who need to justify their paychecks.

I agree, except for the GNOME part. I think GNOME 2 was the last usable version, everything went downhill since GNOME 3. KDE or Cinnamon (Linux Mint) are good though.

You can still use Gnome 2 with e.g. the Mate desktop. I use it every day and it works good enough (though it has some bugs in the file manager).

Re: macOS Tahoe

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esskay wrote: post #602
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

The whole "Liquid Glass" UI is by far their worst ever take on a design language. It feels like stepping backwards to web 2.0 but with even bigger accessibility issues. It doesn't look or feel modern, its ugly, inconsistent and just all around crap. God knows what they were thinking with this. Also who on earth green lit these low resolution looking blurry icons everywhere?!

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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by bayindirh »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #164
bayindirh wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think "defaults to windows-like" is a bad choice for newcomers. I don't customize it heavily either. Move tray, clock and menus to the top, a-la GNOME2, leave taskbar at the bottom, both auto-hidden and narrower than screen. Add four desktops as a 2x2 grid, re-enable old CTRL+ALT+$ARROW keyboard shortcuts, add a couple of usability effects with custom key combinations and two active corners, and I'm done. Som…

I would argue that it actually doesn’t go far enough in windows-like-ness to be viable for a lot of people, and for those who prefer a mac-like setup the possible customization doesn’t take it far enough in that direction, either. It’s not Windows or macOS, it’s KDE, and that’s fine but I think there need to be environments more specifically aimed at people who are happy with their current commercial OS setups.

I'm a bit time-restrained while writing this reply, but I can argue that KDE is 95% there with macOS emulation, if you really want to go that far.

The only missing piece is "global menu bar" and full-screen applications.

Since I don't use KDE on a mobile system, I don't know how well multi-touch trackpad works, but the rest is almost there.

As I said that I neither need or desire to go that far (my custom layout works like a charm for me more than ~15 years now), but it's not off the left field for KDE.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by bayindirh »

pabs3 wrote: post #359
bayindirh wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At last Apple implemented a decent clipboard history. KDE has this thing for a decade now, I guess... KDE also can encode entries as QR codes, so you can make URLs transferable to your phone or whatnot. -- Sent from my MacBook Air.

KDE doesn't have infinite clipboard history yet, like the GPaste extension for GNOME Shell has.

I'm fine with ~250 entries (which I configured), plus search. I don't prefer to have "forever" files which grows all the time.

I found out that being able to let go of things relieves a lot of load over one's proverbial and literal shoulders.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by eloisant »

jdkee wrote: post #357
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

Steve Jobs would never have allowed this to be released.

People need to stop idolizing Steve Jobs like Apple only produced consistent UI when he was there.

Apple have never respected its own guidelines, for example in the early days of MacOSX there were "brushed metal" apps that were supposed to be (according to the guidelines) for small non-resizable windows. Still, there most popular app, iTunes, broke that by being brushed metal despite being a big, resizable window.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by eloisant »

cyberpunk wrote: post #82
12_throw_away wrote: post #79

I swear I don't usually complain about UI styling updates, because it's usually not a big deal - but this looks really, really bad [1]. It's less functional with bizarre transparency choices destroying legibility, and big rounded corners taking up more dead space. And stylistically, the layouts just look unbalanced and amateurish (It reminds me of what happens when I attempt to do CSS layouts). Most Linux desktops un…

I absolutely hate it. I guess we’ll probably get used to it but until then… gah ugliest MacOS ever?

Ugliest macOS... So far!

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by zarzavat »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #573
basisword wrote: post #266

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The biggest surprise to me from this whole beta period is that a significant number of people used Launchpad. I have absolutely zero idea why when Spotlight has existed for more than 20 years. Why would you ever want to click and page through a giant iPhone screen on a desktop/laptop computer?

You don't have to click: Launchpad is available via an unmodified F4, so it's a single button press to bring up instantly, no matter what you're doing. You don't have to "page through a giant iPhone screen", you can type and select. I used to use it all the time, without ever reaching for the mouse to do so. Launchpad also let you change the order of app icons and group them into pages and folders; I don't think the…

> so there's no benefit showing me documents, web pages, and god-knows-what-else at the same time.

I always just disabled these from Spotlight. If I want to search for files I use the search bar in Finder.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by lionkor »

yesnomaybe wrote: post #612
rvrb wrote: post #144

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It was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. After trying out the preview for a month, the writing was on the wall, and I began the process of switching to a Thinkpad with Linux. I am now fully off macOS for the first time in 20 years of being an Apple die hard. I could use a lot of emotionally loaded words to describe how I feel about this release, but the long and short of it is that I am no longer the targ…

In the same boat. After like 15 years I had enough. I've started de-Apple'ing my life in 2024. Still run M1 Pro Mac from work, which is great. 2 days ago I've finally ordered all the parts for a Linux PC, high spec. Not for gaming or so, just for compute. I'm soooo looking forward to the freedom that this will bring. The stuff that I already run on Linux, the distros are all great. I love Gnome for how it looks and K…

Curious what kind of specs you've decided on, would you share? My mind always jumps to EPYC or Threadripper for this kind of use-case

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by Rochus »

unboxingelf wrote: post #499

Who is macOS designed for? I assume a non negligible customer base are software professionals and this iOSification of the desktop is borderline hostile. I don’t get it.

66% of Mac users are female,

around 55.7% of Mac users in 2024 are aged 18-34,

macOS has a 29.62% share of the U.S., but only 15.1% of the global PC market

Macs still maintain strong pedigree in graphic design and visual arts

(from https://www.spyhunter.com/shm/macos-stats/)

I'm a software developer as well and I avoid programming on the Mac whenever possible (i.e. developing on Linux and just go to the Mac to build and test). Since the last OS version, you cannot even download and run precompiled open source software without being an expert, and we can expect that Apple will even close the present work-arounds for "security reasons" (what a good justification for all kinds of monopolistic and patronizing business decisions).

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