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As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by autoexec »

a9h74j wrote: post #651
autoexec wrote: post #650

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It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms. If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more gen…

Ten years ago Sherry Terkel, in Alone Together , described various electronic companions being deployed, even for very young kids. Imagine a dossier/record of all your secret whispers to electronic "friends" recorded from the time you are three years old. As the comments above suggest, the risks go beyond merely violating informed consent.

We've already kind of seen a form of that in Hello Barbie

https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/hello-barbie-the-cree...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/26/hackers-c...

The book looks good btw! And I'm checking out her TED talk. If you're secretly an AI book ad pushing algorithm you just got me...

Re: As weed gets more potent, teens are getting sick

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Post by ellopoppit »

vkou wrote: post #365
ellopoppit wrote: post #58

Is there any doubt that alcohol, or sugar for that matter, makes far more people (teens especially) sick than cannabis? In fact, cannabis is an excellent treatment for alcohol hangovers.

"Vodka cocktails are bad for you" doesn't logically refute "Weed can be bad for you." Both can be (and almost certainly are) true at the same time.

And yet the lesser of the two evils is the one which remains federally illegal. The harm caused by this prohibition far outweighs the harm of some people feeling sick for a few hours after consuming too much cannabis.

Articles like this which only focus on negatives of cannabis help perpetuate the even greater harms of cannabis prohibition.

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Post by cercatrova »

autoexec wrote: post #574
slenk wrote: post #461

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Code is open source, you can decide if it's sketchy or not. It's not BTW, its been around for a bit

Seems like it is infested with Google trackers at the very least.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31853131

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Post by vkou »

ellopoppit wrote: post #662
vkou wrote: post #365

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"Vodka cocktails are bad for you" doesn't logically refute "Weed can be bad for you." Both can be (and almost certainly are) true at the same time.

And yet the lesser of the two evils is the one which remains federally illegal. The harm caused by this prohibition far outweighs the harm of some people feeling sick for a few hours after consuming too much cannabis. Articles like this which only focus on negatives of cannabis help perpetuate the even greater harms of cannabis prohibition.

Prohibiton is next to over.

> Articles like this which only focus on negatives of cannabis help perpetuate the even greater harms of cannabis prohibition.

Knee-jerking against articles like this is perpetuate harm by keeping people in the dark about the very real drawbacks of the drug. You can't make an informed decision about using it without actually know the pros and cons.

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Post by civilitty »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #658
civilitty wrote: post #309

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Not the GP but in my experience that is moderate for a habitual user (i.e. "occasional" users do not fall on this scale). Averaging an eighth of an ounce of flower or a gram of concentrate every day would be considered high usage and anything over a quarter ounce flower or two grams concentrate a day would be extreme (at that point you're getting more than a gram of the psychoactives a day, let alone all the other ca…

As a heavy stoner in the midst of a quit, I'm very surprised by the numbers you gave. I would characterize 1.5-3g as "heavy smoker", 1/8 oz/day as extremely heavy smoker, and 1/4 oz/day as unbelievable. To put it in monetary terms (error +/-50%) this is about $20/$40/$80 / day, respectfully. I don't intend to change your opinion on this, just sharing my perspective.

I think you're just out of your league ;)

I'm also surprised you think 1/4 oz a day is unbelievable. A smoker with a 2 pack a day habit can easily smoke through a 1/4 oz by just replacing half a 0.5g cigarette with cannabis (40 cigs x 0.5 gram => 10g cannabis + 10g tobacco). When I was using concentrates heavily and pressing my own rosin, I was easily using up to an ounce of flower on my worst days (with 15-25% yields by mass).

It's definitely a very fuzzy and subjective scale. Personal experience plays a big part and I suspect heavy smokers anchor around their most common daily average - I suspect you smoked 1.5-3g a day?

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Post by tempestn »

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Watched my dad struggle with this for much of his life. Smoked (cigarettes) from 12 until his early 50s, and pot from some point early in life until late 50s. Struggled for years to quit both, but he says the pot was harder to give up. It may not be a physiological addiction, but you can sure develop a strong habitual/emotional dependency. Certainly watching him struggle with it was enough to make me never want to go…

Did he "need something" before he started trying things? Or only after? PS Love your work on AutoTempest; the top ten lists I found with some clicking (maybe a partner thing) were really enjoyable.

I think it started as a teenage rebellion sort of thing. Certainly the smoking did. Then later on the culture of the 60s-70s probably played into it. But then as the original comment talked about it definitely developed into a psychological dependency. Thankfully he's been happy done with all that for good for quite a while now. (Must be 15-20 years or so now.)

And thanks, I definitely got lucky kind of accidentally finding a viable business niche with searchtempest and then autotempest, and building on that. It's a fun way to earn a living for sure.

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Post by cpeterso »

unicornporn wrote: post #615
cpeterso wrote: post #493

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A little self-promotion: for sites that limit the number of articles you can read, I recommend the Firefox add-on ("Open Page in Private Window") I developed that will open the current page in a new private/incognito tab. The use case: you load a news article, hit a "you've used up all your free articles this month" overlay, so you click the "Open Page in Private Window" toolbar button to view the article in a privat…

Temp containers are perfect for this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/temporary-con... But really, you want: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bypass-paywal...

Thanks! I'll try them out.

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Post by a9h74j »

autoexec wrote: post #661
a9h74j wrote: post #651

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Ten years ago Sherry Terkel, in Alone Together , described various electronic companions being deployed, even for very young kids. Imagine a dossier/record of all your secret whispers to electronic "friends" recorded from the time you are three years old. As the comments above suggest, the risks go beyond merely violating informed consent.

We've already kind of seen a form of that in Hello Barbie https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/hello-barbie-the-cree... https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/26/hackers-c... The book looks good btw! And I'm checking out her TED talk. If you're secretly an AI book ad pushing algorithm you just got me...

Good links.

Paraphrasing, one of the best quotes in Turkle's book: ~We have evolved voices over millions of years to convey information, feeling and nuance. But [young people, who won't answer the phone] want to text instead.~

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Post by lostmsu »

fzeroracer wrote: post #410
lostmsu wrote: post #271

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Your comment kinda demonstrates his point though. He made a comparison, and you pointed out that what he compared weed consumption to is crazy. And you said absolutely nothing about weed consumption itself which is required to understand the validity of the comparison. And not providing that part is exactly demonstrating the lack of self-awareness.

His comparison was between your average smoker arguing for legality vs an entire institution that was setup to criminalize and demonize them for decades, then calling them equally a problem. What exactly here would change the validity of the comparison?

At least claiming that your average smoker arguing for legality would provide more substantiated arguments, than the institution in question.

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Post by thrixton »

autoexec wrote: post #650
tim333 wrote: post #624

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The benefits often outweigh the 'spying on you', which is usually just targeted ads.

It's not about ads. it's about manipulation and gathering data to be used against you at every and any opportunity. The data that's sold and passed around is used to determine things like how much you pay for things vs your neighbor. It determines what services you are offered and at what terms. If a store thinks I make more money than you, I might for example be told they've got a return policy that is much more gen…

This is such a dystopian and paranoid view of the system. And unfortunately, I think if it's not totally a reality now, it's one we're heading for as it is the unchecked natural end of our current path.
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