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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by 4ea13ffe » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #648

manuelabeledo wrote: post #259

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> I did not say people believe reunification needs to be achieved by force. Then this line: > if the president lets go of Taiwan, the CCP would be overthrown tomorrow. doesn't make much sense to me. Who would overthrow the CCP, if not the Chinese people? And if they would be willing to do that, why wouldn't they believe in achieving reunification by force?

Many accept the status quo in which Taiwan is de facto self ruled but at least there is an aspiration towards future reunification by peaceful means, and in which Taiwan identifies as Chinese (just disagreeing on the government). As one of my (Chinese) family members put it: we can be very flexible and patient in arrangements as long as you reconize you're Chinese; who is the government is not the most imporant. Lett…

> Letting go of the reunification aspiration entirely, and letting Taiwan relinquish their identity as Chinese

There are different types of "Chinese", and as the PRC frequently does, you are blurring the difference between them.

Taiwanese are 中文 but not 中國.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mensetmanusman » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 1:39 PM UTC

mytailorisrich wrote: post #658

mensetmanusman wrote: post #499

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If any of these companies are in France, then there is domestic censorship in France on China-related topics: https://mashable.com/article/china-censorship-companies-hong...

No... Private companies make their own commercial decisions. There is no censorship on these topics on the part of the French authorities.

That’s impossible to prove, because not talking about it intentionally is self censorship, but by definition it wouldn’t be talked about so there’s no way of knowing.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by FooBarWidget » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 1:49 PM UTC

4ea13ffe wrote: post #661

FooBarWidget wrote: post #648

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Many accept the status quo in which Taiwan is de facto self ruled but at least there is an aspiration towards future reunification by peaceful means, and in which Taiwan identifies as Chinese (just disagreeing on the government). As one of my (Chinese) family members put it: we can be very flexible and patient in arrangements as long as you reconize you're Chinese; who is the government is not the most imporant. Lett…

> Letting go of the reunification aspiration entirely, and letting Taiwan relinquish their identity as Chinese There are different types of "Chinese", and as the PRC frequently does, you are blurring the difference between them. Taiwanese are 中文 but not 中國.

Well there are many mainlanders who disagree with that. To many people, being Chinese is being 中国人, which doesn't mean belonging to the Chinese state (whether that's PRC or ROC), but belonging to Chinese civilization, which is a bigger concept than merely speaking Chinese (中文).

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by satronaut » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 2:58 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #635

satronaut wrote: post #482

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How's that any different from any disease in the history of humanity? We "dont't" know (even though we know covid is harmless for the vast majority of people), so why risk the adverse effects of a shutdown again. Aren't you worried about the mental health of children, the women at risk of being shut in with a domestic abuser, or the resulting inflation disproportionately affecting low income people of color?

Aren't you worried about the hospital overload, the people who die because their operations have to be postponed or cannot be treated thanks to triage, the hospital staff who become physically and mentally overworked and burnt out and quit, so that in the long run the health care system gets worse, which again costs lives. Aren't you worried that it seems to be bad for children's mental health that they spend more ti…

You've made so many assumptions here that it's almost impossible to reason with your slanted and opinionated point of view.

The hospitals never became overloaded. Government run hospitals were mis-managed and appeared overloaded. The government ordered elective surgeries to be postponed, not the hospitals. Children need to socialize with other children, it helps them learn how to be functioning individuals. Telling people "your jobs have been taken away by the government, but here's a few hundred each week" forces people into situations they'd otherwise avoid.

I am VERY concerned about how the poor are affected by the lockdowns. The inflation the biden administration is causing under the guise of covid is hurting them the most. They'd be much better off in a free economy where there's plenty of market rate jobs and minimal to no inflation.

Things were going AMAZING from the start of 2017 until early 2020 when the democratic controlled house and democrat state governments starting forcing all of these lockdowns and moving the goalpost

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by 4ea13ffe » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 3:21 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #663

4ea13ffe wrote: post #661

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> Letting go of the reunification aspiration entirely, and letting Taiwan relinquish their identity as Chinese There are different types of "Chinese", and as the PRC frequently does, you are blurring the difference between them. Taiwanese are 中文 but not 中國.

Well there are many mainlanders who disagree with that. To many people, being Chinese is being 中国人, which doesn't mean belonging to the Chinese state (whether that's PRC or ROC), but belonging to Chinese civilization, which is a bigger concept than merely speaking Chinese (中文).

I don't place much value on what mainlanders think, but we have to care because they make us.

> being Chinese is being 中国人, which doesn't mean belonging to the Chinese state

I wish that were the case, but the CCP declare themselves the arbiter and they have all the guns. People's Daily says we are "race" traitors if we don't obey their government.

So we don't like calling ourselves 中國人 anymore. I can read OK but not speak their 國語 well enough with the Taiwanese I meet to understand what they prefer. It is not a simple question. 或者华人? Maybe they ignore the pinks and still say 中國人.

我叫自己唐人

If the PRC were as reasonable as the relative you quoted above, none of this would matter. But they are not.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by createunderrate » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

pedrosorio wrote: post #470

mytailorisrich wrote: post #444

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France, like everyone else, has all the communications channels it needs with Taiwan, and does business with Taiwan as it sees fit, but I was not specifically referring to that but rather to closing the embassy in China and other actions against China.

> Its incorrect to call opening an office for Taiwan a "rash, emotional move" > but I was not specifically referring to that but rather to closing the embassy in China and other actions against China Could you clarify what other actions did Lithuania take against China? This is the timeline afaik [0]: - In August 2021, the ROC opened its representative office in Vilnius under the name of "Taiwanese" - In response, th…

Don't forget, there are hundreds of thousands of people employed by China to manipulate public opinion about China online.

Looking at the comment history of the person you responded to, they post pro-China stuff a lot. This is probably not a conversation being had in good faith by two disinterested parties. You're responding to a member of the 50 cent army.

They're everywhere online now. Some subtle, some not so subtle. But whenever I see a pro-China poster who doesn't really give any evidence to back up what they're saying, and they just spew pro-China apologist rhetoric, I become very suspicious.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mytailorisrich » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 4:17 PM UTC

createunderrate wrote: post #666

pedrosorio wrote: post #470

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> Its incorrect to call opening an office for Taiwan a "rash, emotional move" > but I was not specifically referring to that but rather to closing the embassy in China and other actions against China Could you clarify what other actions did Lithuania take against China? This is the timeline afaik [0]: - In August 2021, the ROC opened its representative office in Vilnius under the name of "Taiwanese" - In response, th…

Don't forget, there are hundreds of thousands of people employed by China to manipulate public opinion about China online. Looking at the comment history of the person you responded to, they post pro-China stuff a lot . This is probably not a conversation being had in good faith by two disinterested parties. You're responding to a member of the 50 cent army. They're everywhere online now. Some subtle, some not so sub…

I have to flag this comment, which is nothing but a baseless ad hominem attack and insult, and has no place here. @dang

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by omginternets » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 5:38 PM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #323

omginternets wrote: post #312

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This goes a fair bit beyond “disproportionate imprisonment”, as I’m sure you know.

What do you mean a "fair bit beyond"? I don't think imprisoning a large proportion of a certain ethnic group due to BS laws around extremist ideology is all that different from imprisoning an even greater number of a different ethnic group (1 in 3 black men imprisoned) due to BS laws producing a 100:1 sentencing disparity based on which drug is more popular among a certain ethnic group.

Forced sterilization comes readily to mind, as do the literal labor camps.

You’re either tragically misinformed or ideologically motivated to make such a comparison.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mthoms » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 6:52 PM UTC

FooBarWidget wrote: post #506

mthoms wrote: post #362

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This user is also known for ignoring/downplaying the sexual assault allegations of Peng Shuai against a CCP official. Be wary. View parent(s) of this comment for details of how this user attempted to FUD her accusations. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29362031 Absolutely disgusting.

What's absolutely disgusting is you misrepresenting my views like that in order to smear me just because you don't like the fact that I have a different opinion about China. If you read that thread it is perfectly clear that I merely pointed out that different opinions about the situation exists without giving my own view, but that's not acceptable to you because you seek to doxx. To be perfectly clear, if that wasn'…

You presented yourself as an authority (native speaker) and provided a translation + opinion of her statement. You omitted the part about her crying, etc. Why? And why do you refuse to you update us on your opinion now that the omission has been pointed out?

Again, the question: does your opinion of her statement change when considering the panicked crying (that you casually omitted) which was pointed out by another user?

>To be perfectly clear, if that wasn't already so, I am against any kind of sexual assault and I support an investigation into corrupt officials.

Another dodge. The question isn't about generalities. It isn't about "different opinions about China". The question is about this very specific instance.

(I didn't doxx you, your information is in your profile.)

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by riffraff » Mon, Dec 20, 2021, 7:52 PM UTC

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #494

riffraff wrote: post #279

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China won't allow airlines to say they fly to Taiwan. Western media frequently defer to PRC rules (the latest one: Top Gun sequel removing the taiwanese flag). John Cena had to publicly apologize because he referred to Taiwan as a country. Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. The PRC is bullying the whole planet, and people are letting the…

> because he referred to Taiwan as a country. But it isn't. Officially Taiwan is not a sovereign country. The status is controversial, it's similar to Catalunya in Spain (see what happened to Catalan leader Puigdemont) or Flanders in Belgium, but Taiwan is not officially a country. I think that if someone called Fort-de-France a country, France would correct them. On the other side of the spectrum, if someone says th…

Yes, Spain would protest if you said Catalunya is a country, but you likely wouldn't be forced to make a public apology to protect your business in Spain.