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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

mschuster91 wrote: post #449
Pmop wrote: post #218

> packages(/containers) from PRC are delayed or cancelled, invoices are not being paid, we are losing business there I think the whole western world should stop playing games with the bully state that is PRC.

We can't, we have exposed ourselves way too big with China over the last decades. Especially us Germans are a major part of the problem, given that our car industry has their only growth market in China - Europe and the US are saturated, South America, large parts of Asia and Africa are too poor (corrupt elites aside), and Arabia wants luxury cars that our car makers don't have - so the amount of influence from the c…

> and Arabia wants luxury cars that our car makers don't have

Doesn't VW own Audi, Bentley, Lamborghini and Porsche?

I think Mercedes has a pretty solid market in Arabia too.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by dang »

Pmop wrote: post #218

> packages(/containers) from PRC are delayed or cancelled, invoices are not being paid, we are losing business there I think the whole western world should stop playing games with the bully state that is PRC.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29615050.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

riffraff wrote: post #279
rayiner wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is China bullying except it’s own people?

China won't allow airlines to say they fly to Taiwan. Western media frequently defer to PRC rules (the latest one: Top Gun sequel removing the taiwanese flag). John Cena had to publicly apologize because he referred to Taiwan as a country. Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. The PRC is bullying the whole planet, and people are letting the…

> because he referred to Taiwan as a country.

But it isn't.

Officially Taiwan is not a sovereign country.

The status is controversial, it's similar to Catalunya in Spain (see what happened to Catalan leader Puigdemont) or Flanders in Belgium, but Taiwan is not officially a country.

I think that if someone called Fort-de-France a country, France would correct them.

On the other side of the spectrum, if someone says that Vatican and San Marino are Italy, they would protest.

China is not dissimilar from USA In this regards.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by nabla9 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #270
baybal2 wrote: post #238

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Hsi Chinping only spent 2 weeks in US on a work trip. There are no complex reasons at play.

It is true, he did not spend a few years, I misremembered. Still, this is not from a lack of understanding of the West. There a lot of complex strategic factors that mean that China cannot abandon the idea of holding Taiwan, which means either war or the One China Policy, which requires the behaviour we're seeing now.

I was talking about Wolf Warrior diplomacy. It's idiotic tactic now matter what way you look at it.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by throwaway675309 »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #191
ChemSpider wrote: post #137

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There is no need for Mr. Xi to formally give up on Taiwan. He could just kick the can down the road for another few decades, like all his much smarter predecessors did. > China's people also believe that. Only because that is what they learn and hear (literally) daily, starting with kindergarten. Just reduce this crab step by step, and it will fade away. The same is true for this even more stupid 7-dash line. They dr…

Saying that viewing Taiwan that way as purely a consequence of propaganda is like saying that American patriotism, and the fact that Americans believe that the South's cecession is illegitimate or unrighteous, is purely a consequence of having taught people so since childhood. Yes education is a contributing factor. But it is my no means the only factor. Your take also ignores the fact that unification is Chinese cor…

Ridiculous. People always bring up the secession of the south but a far more accurate corollary would be if the citizens of Puerto Rico, a U.S. territory, decided to formally declared independence and vote to become an autonomous nation from the United States.

I think if you asked the average American living in the continental United States, that they would not care one iota if Puerto Rico suddenly became independent. And frankly it's the same for people living in mainland China - their day-to-day lives would change zero percentage if Taiwan was formally recognized. It's purely a matter of conditioned education delivered as part of the party system.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by gausswho »

geff82 wrote: post #260
motiejus wrote: post #200

I am Lithuanian; Lithuania Taiwan PRC conflict is frequently a topic of discussion these days among my peers. My position, shared by a few others, is that this is the next best thing that happened in Lithuania after leaving USSR: the first being joining NATO and EU in 2004. Everyone in the world can (and almost everyone do) endorse PRC. "You won't get fired for picking IBM/Oracle/PRC". While very few countries have t…

What interesting software or locally producing electronics companies are there in Lithuania? I will by something from them instantly.

Virpil ships from Lithuania but I believe is manufactured in Belarus. They make gloriously high quality flight sim gear, if you're into that: https://virpil-controls.eu

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by satronaut »

sfe22 wrote: post #187
satronaut wrote: post #138

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Source please? It sounds like the most mild of all the 99.97% survival rate variants of covid. If you don't want to get sick, then stay home, but don't tell me how to live my life

Totally agree. I think we have been warned more than enough. You afraid? Stay at home and lock down. (Didn’t stay home and) got sick? Your problem if no space is available. Split hospitals 50% covid and continue the rest as usual with limited capacity. We cannot control covid anymore and this was apparent just a few months in. Stop supporting authoritarianism and get real.

unfortunately most people on this website aren't rational, and either want to be a victim or want to be a hero, and view the current state of affairs as their chance to fill that mold.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by mensetmanusman »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #404
lumost wrote: post #394

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Participating in trade with the PRC requires action to support the PRC through domestic censorship and diplomatic support on issues the PRC cares about (Taiwan). France has a choice in whether they choose to support the PRC or not - this requires stepping on red lines and facing the consequences.

There is no domestic censorship in France on China-related topics. As I wrote before France chose a long time ago to switch from ROC/Taiwan to PRC in terms of diplomatic recognition because that was the pragmatic and realistic thing to do for France. France trades with China because it is in its interest to do so, not because of any 'support' for China.

If any of these companies are in France, then there is domestic censorship in France on China-related topics:

https://mashable.com/article/china-censorship-companies-hong...

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by ChemSpider »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #404
lumost wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Participating in trade with the PRC requires action to support the PRC through domestic censorship and diplomatic support on issues the PRC cares about (Taiwan). France has a choice in whether they choose to support the PRC or not - this requires stepping on red lines and facing the consequences.

There is no domestic censorship in France on China-related topics. As I wrote before France chose a long time ago to switch from ROC/Taiwan to PRC in terms of diplomatic recognition because that was the pragmatic and realistic thing to do for France. France trades with China because it is in its interest to do so, not because of any 'support' for China.

Nobody asks France or Germany to stop trading with China. But both countries should use more of their power to support a fellow democracy that is under threat.
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