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Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by philliphaydon »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #102
mtmail wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5min searching for sources ... Might be a mixup with sonic weapons. "An employee at the U.S. Embassy in Guangzhou, China, allegedly suffered mild traumatic brain injury after hearing a vague and abnormal sound" https://www.theepochtimes.com/with-sonic-weapon-attack-china...

Well, one should note that The Epoch Times is brought to you by the propaganda arm of the anti-CCP Falun gong.

Assuming you believe the the propaganda spread by the CCP about falun gong to begin with.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by riku_iki »

angrygoat wrote: post #107
mantas wrote: post #88

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How many aircraft careers does EU have? Especially after Brexit...

Seven: France (4) Italy (2) Spain (1) Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_in_s...

they listed helicopter carriers there (e.g. Mistral for France).

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by m0llusk »

subroutine wrote: post #44

China would be much better off if they just gave up on the whole Taiwan charade. I understand how badly they want to put Taiwan under thumb like they did HK, but Taiwan is really the only issue I foresee with potential to derail China's progress.

Massive economic bubble, dams failing across the country, no real government accountability, doctors getting lynched if their patients die, and the list goes on

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by koolba »

bettysdiagnose wrote: post #106
Raed667 wrote: post #59

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The cynicism of China foreign policy never ceases to amaze

It's like they want the rest of the world to hate them.

Not quite. They just don’t care what anybody else thinks outside of game theory analysis of how they will act.

If the country was a person, we’d label their personality as a high functioning manipulative sociopath.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by BrazzVuvuzela »

bettysdiagnose wrote: post #106
Raed667 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cynicism of China foreign policy never ceases to amaze

It's like they want the rest of the world to hate them.

Authoritarian regimes love fostering us vs the world narratives; it helps them maintain control.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by yeetman21 »

phantomathkg wrote: post #100
albeva wrote: post #54

I wish whole of EU would declare in unison support for Taiwan. Wonder if China would kick out every single EU nation embassy then?

I highly doubt they would. Most of the governments worldwide are realists, most of the time they are doing lip services, not many have the gut to do what Lithuanian do.

I think, on a cynical take, that Lithuania only is able to do it because they have nothing to lose. Their trade with China is small so even if it is cut off, then it will be almost like if nothing had happened.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by ChemSpider »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #99
subroutine wrote: post #44

China would be much better off if they just gave up on the whole Taiwan charade. I understand how badly they want to put Taiwan under thumb like they did HK, but Taiwan is really the only issue I foresee with potential to derail China's progress.

It isn't that easy. It's not just China's government that believes Taiwan is part of China — China's people also believe that. There is a saying that if China is democratic, they would have invaded Taiwan yesterday. Or another saying: if the president lets go of Taiwan, the CCP would be overthrown tomorrow. Another factor that complicates things is the fact that Taiwan is a strategic location for the US's military co…

There is no need for Mr. Xi to formally give up on Taiwan. He could just kick the can down the road for another few decades, like all his much smarter predecessors did.

> China's people also believe that.

Only because that is what they learn and hear (literally) daily, starting with kindergarten. Just reduce this crab step by step, and it will fade away. The same is true for this even more stupid 7-dash line. They draw this stuff only really, really every map you see in China.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by satronaut »

notpachet wrote: post #94
tenpies wrote: post #85

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[flagged]

Omicron is real. It's having very tangible impacts on the ability of countries to provide necessary healthcare services to their citizens. People who normally should be first in line to receive care (cancer patients and the like) are having their critical services interrupted or deferred. Just because you personally don't see the impact doesn't mean it isn't there.

Source please? It sounds like the most mild of all the 99.97% survival rate variants of covid. If you don't want to get sick, then stay home, but don't tell me how to live my life

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by chx »

RyEgswuCsn wrote: post #80
chx wrote: post #55

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> Were the safety of the embassy's staff under threat? Without question. Previously, China arrested Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig to force Canada to release Meng Wanzhou. No one forgot that.

Did Lithuania detain Chinese citizens/diplomats first? I can understand their need to evacuate if they did.

No but that act shows China considers arresting Western people as basically a chess move.

Re: Lithuania evacuates its embassy in China

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Post by ui4jd73bdj »

lmilcin wrote: post #4

There is a simple solution. If most of western world allowed Taiwan embassies China would have to relent. They can't afford having entire western world stand against them. Unfortunately, that would require western nations to agree on something.

Most western nations would probably accept a declaration of independence from Taiwan. The only issue western countries currently have with Taiwan is it's claim for mainland china.

Obviously they don't want to be careless, since China could try to invade them if they did that. So they would need quite some military backup from USA and Japan to make China accept their defeat.

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