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Twitch does this already: https://twitchadvertising.tv/ad-products/surestream/

Twitch ads, including surestream ones, are blockable/bypassable.

How does one do this? I've tried but eventually just gave up and currently I'm not in a situation where a PiHole would be viable.

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You can put anything in a ToS, that’s simply not enough. Again, I would be fine if Google simply stopped hosting videos without consent, but behavior changes like this are different.

How is it different? If you want to make changes to your assets after you die, write a will and hire an executor. The living aren't obligated to negotiate with the dead.

The issue is you can’t guess every possible change. Let’s suppose Facebook goes broke in 20 years and the new owners decide to make absolutely everything public. That’s going to make a lot of people upset whatever it’s allowed by the TOS so that’s fine right?

If your alive you fight such things by suing the company, but the dead don’t make such choices.

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And isn't that the same story in any business? They'll raise costs to the limit of customers' endurance, or else reduce quality to compensate? If there is a problem then the problem is Google. I don't think this can be blamed on just the ad-driven profit model.

Not a business that is purportedly just a publisher. The channel creators were told they could choose their ad model. That was contradicted by this decision. Imagine your letter carrier started stamping Aunt Agatha's letters with car ads or whatever.

The USPS is ad supported. They invented spam.

Aunt Agatha's letter is ended by junk mail.

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Hacker News User Will Continue to Run uBlock Origin on All Sites Including YouTube Even If Webmasters Don't Want Him To

I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

It would probably be a good thing for me, since forcing annoying ads will make me stop using YouTube. I insta-close any website which forces me to turn off my ad blocker.

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It heartens me to know that this sentiment is spreading. I have some black and white rules set up for myself. The day Whatsapp stops encrypting chats is the day I jump ship. The day Youtube blocks access to those using uBlock, I'll stop going to Youtube. The day old.reddit.com and i.reddit.com stop working, sayonara Reddit. I've come to realise that a) I just don't derive TOO much value from any of these websites/ser…

I wonder how much each a YouTube user is worth? My guess is pennies. Seems like $3 would be good.

And what would a new user be worth to them? I think the value is in THE MONOPOLY?

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Yeah, and I think this drives the point home even further. You really want a risk mitigation strategy for YouTube's hostile actions against creators. It's been a slow but steady creep. So, if your business is built off the back of something like Facebook, or YouTube, or Instagram, you probably want a backup plan. I've seen a few YouTubers have a centralized site for signups and support where they host all their conte…

Can creators self-host videos on their personal website and push that video to Youtube for their subscribers? That way, they can direct users who don't want ads to their website. Then they are not completely dependent on YT, FB, etc.

Self-hosting video content is either not very simple, or not very featureful.

You can put an html video tag and call it a day, but you'll be missing out on using the best codec for each viewer and bandwidth adaptation and (last I looked, hopefully I'm wrong) usable UI.

Bandwidth is an issue, although I've seen enough high bandwidth, unmetered server offers that I think it might work. Depending on where your viewers are and where you find cheap bandwidth, you might get poor performance just from distance, whereas YouTube and Facebook have CDNs with nodes everywhere.

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>So in that respect, it's kind of a shitty move by Google. 12 years of free video hosting with no ads and a platform for people to discover your videos is quite the deal. They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. If you thought you could eat a free lunch…

> They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. This isn't about covering expenses that they couldn't afford otherwise. This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

>This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

Isn't Youtube still not making a profit?

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I went the extra mile and create a random, unique email address for every single service I sign up for, so I know precisely who sells my data to spammers if I ever get any. All the unique addresses redirect to a central one for ease of access.

Often do that as well, but then: What’s the point. Company X leaked my mail, so what? Not much that one can do about it. Now I often group services, e.g. car rentals with car@ and food delivery services with pizza@ It’s awesome for filtering and sorting emails though.

> Company X leaked my mail, so what?

Report them under GDPR?

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> I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. That just comes off as entitled. Youtube is providing free bandwidth, hosting, and advertising for his patreon.

> That just comes off as entitled. Youtube is providing free bandwidth, hosting, and advertising for his patreon. Youtube has been promoting that you can do that since 2008 - https://techcrunch.com/2008/03/12/youtube-the-platform/ - so maybe "entitled" isn't the word. It's expected because the capability has been promoted. However, in the same article you'll note this little tidbit: In general if a video is uploaded…

> Of course, it is not exactly free. The videos will also be available on YouTube, where Google will make money from any associated ads. It is not clear how the ad revenue will be split, or even if it will be.

The article you posted doesn't mention that YouTube is promoting ad-free hosting that the creator doesn't have to pay for.

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I went the extra mile and create a random, unique email address for every single service I sign up for, so I know precisely who sells my data to spammers if I ever get any. All the unique addresses redirect to a central one for ease of access.

Often do that as well, but then: What’s the point. Company X leaked my mail, so what? Not much that one can do about it. Now I often group services, e.g. car rentals with car@ and food delivery services with pizza@ It’s awesome for filtering and sorting emails though.

If company X leaks your email, close your account with them and block the address.

Also, it's useful for have i been pwned. One of my few accounts which uses a grouped address is in today's data dump, and it wasn't clear what account it was, because of the grouping.

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