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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by alisonkisk »

watwut wrote: post #383
izacus wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For many of them, it is youtube or nothing. Is this really true? I mean, there are hundreds of video hosting sites, is YT really the only way of making any money? This is like saying that the only way to make your business sustainable is to get a reserved place on NY Times Square... are you really entitled to it?

I don't know about hundreda of video hosting sites. I know aboit two: youtube and twitch. I tried something else maybe twice. I am pretty representative for typical user. Typical user turns on yoitube and only things in there exists.

Typical users aren't relevant here. We're talking about Patreon supporters, people who gave money to a single creator and want an ad free video. They can click a link to vimeo.

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by alisonkisk »

boogies wrote: post #626
cableshaft wrote: post #4

I know there are several content creators (such as Jim Sterling) that have their videos ad-free as a perk for their supporters (since he's supported enough via Patreon). He's pretty angry about this change. I somewhat understand Google's stance on this, as it's a service that should be allowed to make money even on people who don't want to make money. They don't really have such a way to opt out of pretty much any ot…

> It would be a massive undertaking to shift their backlog of videos onto another service, and they'd lose all their existing subscribers and have to build it up elsewhere. Fortunately that’s not entirely true, IIUC — LBRY and BitChute can automatically mirror their channels. Anecdotal accounts say LBRY pays orders of magnitude more per view IIRC, and doesn’t decrease YouTube growth. minutephysics uses it and still h…

LBRY's main stream page for new users, right now, is a mix of racism, conspiracy theories, and FTC-rules-violating infomercials. Why would I want to dip my toe in there?

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Post by tomc1985 »

How many times do we need to keep telling all these cloud-native folks to stop building their livelihoods on a foundation made of straw

This sort of shit is inevitable. Is there a single free web service that's been successful and kept to its core promises way back when?

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by Dylan16807 »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #563
mmastrac wrote: post #544

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Copyright infringement isn't theft.

Illegal copying? Call it what you will, if you had paid for the Dark Knight, WB would get $5. Instead they get $0. It's illegal and if everyone did it, movies would not exist.

If everyone that would have paid pirates a movie then the movie industry collapses.

If everyone that wouldn't have paid pirates a movie then nothing bad happens and people enjoy things.

Arguing one of those facts while ignoring the other one is a mark of a bad argument.

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Post by alisonkisk »

Retric wrote: post #454
renewiltord wrote: post #424

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Ah I see. It's a rules thing. In that case it's fine. The ToS explicitly allow this after all. So you aren't really changing things outside of what's allowed. This is like when you put into a contract "Party A may withdraw from this contract at any point" and then you withdraw at some point. That's playing by the rules.

You can put anything in a ToS, that’s simply not enough. Again, I would be fine if Google simply stopped hosting videos without consent, but behavior changes like this are different.

How is it different?

If you want to make changes to your assets after you die, write a will and hire an executor.

The living aren't obligated to negotiate with the dead.

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Post by mansion7 »

alisonkisk wrote: post #652
boogies wrote: post #626

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It would be a massive undertaking to shift their backlog of videos onto another service, and they'd lose all their existing subscribers and have to build it up elsewhere. Fortunately that’s not entirely true, IIUC — LBRY and BitChute can automatically mirror their channels. Anecdotal accounts say LBRY pays orders of magnitude more per view IIRC, and doesn’t decrease YouTube growth. minutephysics uses it and still h…

LBRY's main stream page for new users, right now, is a mix of racism, conspiracy theories, and FTC-rules-violating infomercials. Why would I want to dip my toe in there?

For the inevitable moment when Google changes their motto to "be evil"

Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by kllrnohj »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #619
kllrnohj wrote: post #606

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Linus of the Tech Tips variety has said that a major reason they kept paying for the forums, which are a pain to keep healthy & don't generate much revenue, is so that they could have a direct line of communication to their core fan base no matter what happens. Similarly there's a reason LTT launched Floatplane. Risk management is important regardless of how big your business is. Even if you're large enough for youtu…

Couldn’t they just use Twitter or some other platform like everyone else?

If they used Twitter or some other platform then they are still reliant on an externally funded system they have no control over. It's not really a backup plan at that point.

Also I don't think you can build a community on Twitter anyway. It's just shouting into the void. They could use it for announcements (and do, LTT is on Twitter, too), but little else.

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Post by cwkoss »

pbasista wrote: post #479

Not long ago Google has automatically enabled mid-roll ads for all videos longer than a certain length [0]. Most likely, its net effect is that more ads are played and as a result, YouTube's ad revenue has increased. Now they implement a similar measure whose net effect would probably be comparable - i.e. an increased ad revenue. It is perhaps logical for Google to behave like that, purely from the financial point of…

This probably isn't the case, but would be kinda funny if Youtube keeps a list of unpopular policy changes they'd like to make, and rolls them out each time they start to push into some backend infrastructure limit or need to do a heavy migration.

I bet a lot of devops would love a 'reduce user usage by 20% for a week' button.

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Post by MeinBlutIstBlau »

paol wrote: post #17
Droobfest wrote: post #7

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I think technically it would be pretty easy for google to embed ads into videos in a way that would be hard to impossible to block.

I've long wondered why they don't do this for video ads. If they were served as part of the main video stream it would be almost impossible for ad-blockers to filter them. (I even think the DASH segmentation would allow them to this without reencoding the original video, but that's just speculation on my part)

Twitch does it. I can't block their ads even with any ad blocker or no script.
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