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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by flyinglizard »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #636
mikestew wrote: post #571

Now that WSJ is included in Apple News+, the NYT has a month after the election to clean their shit up, or I dump a decade-long subscription. And by "clean their shit up", I want news on my front page, not political discussion. And by news I mean "Hurricane FooBar Hits FL Coast", not "Hurricane FooBar Hits FL Coast While Trump Plays Golf". Though I shall stay far, far away from that crazy train WSJ calls an "opinion…

Trump bragged incessantly that, unlike Obama, he wouldn't have time to play golf if elected President. Instead, he's spent about twice as much time on the links as Obama did, including during various crises that would demand a normal president's full attention. If they didn't report how the President was responding to a given crisis, you'd criticize them for that . So I don't see how they can win here. They keep poun…

You just fell into the same trap. It is tiring to read news from a Trump-centric context. I cancelled my NYT subscription last week because I feel I’m taken for ride over their politics.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jessaustin »

captain_price7 wrote: post #475
csa wrote: post #444

Whether he realizes it or not, Greenwald is a foreign intelligence officer’s dream. Regardless of the actual authenticity of the Hunter emails, stuff like this is fairly easy to plant. So even if Greenwald got it right this time (maybe, maybe not), I can assure you that he will get it very wrong at least once in the future by the hands of a foreign intelligence officer (assuming he still has an audience). Folks who a…

> Folks who aggressively advocate for the verification of authenticity of documents, especially digital documents, have a very good reason for taking the stance that they do. And who are those folks? Liberal media? Didn't they publish that embarrassingly fake accusation against Brett Kavanaugh that he gang-raped Julie Swetnick? Didn't they claim mutliple times to find "decisive proof" that Trump (himself) colluded wi…

"The walls are closing in!"

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by bigdict »

reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

Matt Taibbi: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/glenn-greenwald-on-his-resigna...

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by irencecara »

jtdev wrote: post #72
ehsankia wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please entertain the possibility for a moment, whether you agree with it or not, that this story was indeed planted by a foreign nation for the specific purpose of manipulating our election. Do you then believe that it is responsible to willfully help spread it and blast it all over every social media site? Aren't you doing the foreign nation's bidding then? If you do agree there, then where would you draw the line f…

This argument can be made for nearly every piece of political journalism... you're only supporting this suppression because it helps your preferred candidate.

No, we're supporting having facts before trying to smear someone the week before an election, by someone with an obvious axe to grind.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jessaustin »

say_it_as_it_is wrote: post #511

Has Greenwald done much journalism since Snowden's revelations? I stopped following him a long time ago as he was using his platform to advocate his own social justice agenda.

Somehow you must have missed the most important work that Intercept ever did:

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/brazil-archive-operation...

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reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by jessaustin »

mikeruhl wrote: post #545

meanwhile, we are watching Trump's entire family profit from DTJ's presidency. Why doesn't Greenwald write a story about that? His article is basically, "well no one confirmed none of the deals happened! So there's still a chance!" Come on man, we're watching this unfold in real time in the current administration. Clean your own house.

It would have been nice if the impeachments had focused on real crimes like that, rather than obvious BS.

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Post by monkeydreams »

pvarangot wrote: post #621
reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

Did you read his story? It's good, it's serious and it calls out the democrats about some real bullshit like inventing a fake Russian intelligence operation to not respond to allegations that come from the emails. I don't care if a journalist has a paranoid delusion as long as they are doing good writing and due diligence, and Glenn's story has both. He's not the most stable individual and he has made mistakes in the…

> Did you read his story? It's good, it's serious

I have read it, and it's not good. It is an example of the worst aspects of pearl-clutching, can-you-imagine-what-this-means, ignore-the-actual-facts tendencies of the media today. He starts from a ludicrous premise and then doubles down on the ramifications, all without actually addressing the question of whether or not it is true.

You certainly don't question the suspect if you already know their answer, and you have no proof to the contrary. At least not unless you are ready to cede to that suspect the moral high ground.

Firstly, Glenn focuses on the fact this "de facto union of media outlets, Silicon Valley giants and the intelligence community" is not asking the Bidens questions about the nature of these allegations. The simple answer is that "union" is focusing on questions of merit, unrelated to this fictional reality Greenwald is portraying.

If one were to accept the premise that these are questions of merit, then one must believe the predicates - that Hunter Biden would send a personal computer to be fixed, thousands of kilometers from his home, by a coincidently pro-Republican repairman, who is coincidently blind but is coincidently also able to confirm that it was Hunter Biden who dropped this computer off, and that coincidently this repairman has a speed dial to Rudolph Giuliani, and that the proof of all of this was coincidently stolen by the USPS. By now the product of all these low-probability events is vanishingly small.

> I don't care if a journalist has a paranoid delusion as long as they are doing good writing and due diligence, and Glenn's story has both.

Due diligence would require Mr Greenwald to start with a neutral or cynical mindset. Who is to gain from this story, what is required for this to be true.

It is telling that Mr Greenwald thinks there is the cabal against him, that the famously apolitical intelligence services are taking a stand contrary to his. And the thing it might tell him is this: start from the facts, and follow from there.

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