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My Resignation from the Intercept

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Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by pvarangot »

reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

Did you read his story? It's good, it's serious and it calls out the democrats about some real bullshit like inventing a fake Russian intelligence operation to not respond to allegations that come from the emails.

I don't care if a journalist has a paranoid delusion as long as they are doing good writing and due diligence, and Glenn's story has both. He's not the most stable individual and he has made mistakes in the past, but he's a journalist he writes and we read and make our minds. I'm not going to doubt him because he's a "freak".

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by Shivetya »

gfodor wrote: post #6

The media has fallen into the well-known trap of optimizing the wrong KPI. You want to maximize trust with the public, not engagement, if you want your media company to survive if its value proposition is providing journalism and the usual benefits that come with a free press. Unfortunately, not only is engagement the wrong metric, but it's also one which incentivizes the undermining of the actual metric you need to…

the danger when we do change who is President in the US is we get a complicit press, a press that does not look, and worse a press that prevents looking

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by Fauntleroy »

eric_b wrote: post #438
donohoe wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Media organizations are not interested truth or accuracy of their stories As someone who works in media (not on editorial side but on digital), I can assure you thats you are wrong. Most media orgs have a log of rigor and fact-checking that goes into their stories. The editorial side is typically (not always in some places) shielded from the business pressures (for better and for worse). Its someone else's problem…

He stopped being a credible journalist because he broke ranks and deviated from the liberal orthodoxy?

Ah, there it is.

He stopped being a credible journalist because he pushed to publish an article that is not supported by reality.

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by guybedo »

reilly3000 wrote: post #608

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story. FYI this sob story has some precedent: In 2014: "I absolutely refuse to be exiled from my own country for the crime of doing journalism and I'm going to force the issue just on principle. And I think going back for a ceremony like the Polk Awards or other forms of journalistic awards would be a…

> https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/how-fake-persona-laid-... This is why the Intercept didn't want to run Glenn's story.

Intercept's decision has nothing to do with this nbc article. Here's the emails exchange between Greenwald and Intercept editors: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-edito...

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Post by groby_b »

dash2 wrote: post #226
drchopchop wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Substack solve this? It's just a more refined Medium with better monetization opportunities. Being on Substack doesn't mean the author is trustworthy, only that they have content that people will engage with (and potentially pay for), which is still the same KPI you're referring to.

Substack allows you to subscribe (paid) to an individual journalist or publication. They can then post long-form stories to your inbox. That gives them the opportunity to develop a long-term relationship with you where credibility matters. At any rate, that is the argument. I don't think it will work, because buying journalism one journalist at a time is too expensive. Hell, buying it one paper at a time is too expen…

> "buying journalism one journalist at a time is too expensive"

Yes and no. It is if you want to get all of your daily news that way. But if it's an area you care about and you're somewhat affluent, it's well worth the money. (I'd think a good chunk of HN e.g. has a subscription to Stratechery)

It's a workable strategy for a few extremely good journalists. But there are a lot of issues with it.

Societally, this is problematic in that it makes decent reporting a luxury good. Long-term, this is a problem because there's no institution where junior journalists can learn the trade. In terms of information, it's a problem because there'll likely be no way to get a wider overview of world news in that way.

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Post by pvarangot »

agentdrtran wrote: post #65
blhack wrote: post #27

Glenn had a 3 hour long conversation on a podcast a few days ago where he laid out the problem really well: Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat, because the people they are friends with are the ones that own that boat, invite them to parties, and are a part of their friend groups. The reporting around this story has been absolutely unbelievable t…

"Journalists have essentially become socialites. They don't want to publish articles that will rock the boat," There have been a virtually uncountable number of high-profile investigative pieces that criticise people in power published in the last 6 months! This argument is nonsense.

Yeah, and they are published either by socialites from a group that hates the group being exposed, or by "freaks" like Greenwald that no one with a public persona wants near them because they know he's a time bomb.

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Post by Lammy »

CogentHedgehog wrote: post #499
eric_b wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She attacks him personally without ever refuting any of his points. She hand waves that they will correct the record "in time." Her response is riddled with sensationalist language. I'm gonna go with Greenwald's version of events on this one. This person seems fully compromised.

My impression was the opposite. Greenwald went around slinging wild accusations of censorship and bias, and the Intercept's response was fairly measured in comparison. They even included an acknowledgement of respect for his work.

How is it not censorship if I can't read Glenn's article right now because The Intercept refused to let him publish it?

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Post by brown9-2 »

jMyles wrote: post #581
hiisukun wrote: post #463

Here is a link to the article (draft) that is discussed in the resignation post, and posted an hour or so later: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-b... And here is the content of emails with the editors, discussing the alleged censorship: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/emails-with-intercept-edito...

Reading the full article really puts me firmly on Greenwald's side of this thing. Given the controversy, I expected it to the inflammatory. Instead, this is solid, restrained reporting on the simple facts of the matter, along with completely fair critiques of the way those facts have been handled by other media.

The facts all rely on a hard drive no one has seen and no one will offer forensic evidence of

Re: My Resignation from the Intercept

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Post by brown9-2 »

threatofrain wrote: post #129
Nacdor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have anything to support this accusation? I've been watching him closely for several years and it seems the mortal sin he committed was his failure to join the Russiagate bandwagon. In the end that was clearly the correct choice, but the liberal media no longer tolerates anyone who has the audacity to undermine their chosen narrative.

Tucker Carlson just announced on Twitter that he has lost critical documents relating to the alleged wrongdoings of Hunter Biden. This was moments before Glenn Greenwald's resignation.

I have critical evidence that this whole story is a fraud, but I can’t show it to you
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