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Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by frankacter »

Galanwe wrote: post #657
frankacter wrote: post #655

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Our phones are Taiwan models and we can reproduce it. Which iPhone do you have? If it still has the ZP region for Hong Kong instead of ZA region it will not be impacted. More here on it: https://hiraku.tw/2019/10/4855/

I see, I just checked, mine has the ZP region (Hong Kong & Macau), so that would explain why I still have the Taiwanese flag.

I can't verify this part first hand, but they indicate in the article that before the 2018 model iPhone XS was released, the region code of Hong Kong was “ZP,” but it was changed to “ZA” after the newer model iPhone XS was released.

So users with newer devices would be impacted.

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Post by dang »

yungcoder wrote: post #511

Between this and the NBA's capitulation to making the Rockets' GM retract his statements on Hong Kong, at what point does appeasement just become acceptance of China's behavior? Sure, from the individual business' perspective they don't want to risk alienating the Chinese government and losing the Chinese market, but if China sees that they can get their way by simply threatening foreign companies then it will just e…

You Godwinned up a huge flamewar with this. That's seriously not cool—political and nationalistic flamewar with Nazi overtones is a failure here. We'd appreciate it if you'd please read the site guidelines and take this one to heart:

"Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by dang »

yungcoder wrote: post #562
spats1990 wrote: post #538

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If you think 2019 China is that similar to 1930s Germany you should just come right out and say it, in my opinion. Let that argument stand on its merits. If you didn't intend a parallel between 1930s Germany and 2019 China, there is, again in my opinion only, probably a better way of making your point.

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Please stop and don't do this again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21189201

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Post by seventhtiger »

supernova87a wrote: post #257

I feel the need to inject some perspective here. Every country imposes requirements on manufacturers of devices or service providers that some person(s) might object to. If you choose to do business in that country, you play ball, or you leave. How you pick which ones that are tolerable enough to live with is the question -- and don't imagine that it's moral principles that define it. It's how much a company wants to…

> Saudi Arabia (and many others) prevent the installation of Whats App, etc. on phones activated there.

Source?

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by howtofly »

Thorrez wrote: post #645
howtofly wrote: post #638

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"Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country" Really? Does your government officially call Taiwan "a country"? Show us the proof. Considering only 15 countries in this universe still do this, it's almost safe to guess NO.

"Everybody knows Taiwan is a distinct country" is referring to people, not to governments. Just because a government doesn't recognize a country doesn't mean the people under that government don't recognize the country.

Theoretically, a government should represent its people, which should be the foundation of democracy. If that foundation were broken, it is far more worrisome than these China/Taiwan/HK events.

I suggest fixing it ASAP. For example, the op can protest to urge his/her government to recognize Taiwan as a country, which will be "a beautiful landscape" as described by Nancy Patricia Pelosi.

Re: Apple Hides Taiwan Flag in Hong Kong

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Post by foray1010 »

Galanwe wrote: post #647

Can anyone actually validate that this news is true? I live in Hong Kong and have the latest iOS updates. I still have the Taiwanese flag... same for all my colleagues, both on personal and work phones.

I am from Hong Kong, I can confirm that Taiwanese flag is not displayed in original Emoji keyboard (still appear in third-party keyboard like kaiboard). I am using HK region apple id and latest ios version

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Post by lightgreen »

philwelch wrote: post #490
dirtyid wrote: post #139

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Related to the original discussion, I wonder if there's a story behind how Taiwan got a emoji flag in the first place. Unicode Consortium referenced ISO 3166 for eligibility. Taiwan and a few other disputed regions didn't the cut until 3166-2 revision. The maintenance agency consists of representative from only western agencies. Interesting politics.

I think they err on the side of including flags in case of controversy, as there are flag emoji for Kosovo and Palestine. The main exception is North Cyprus, which just gets ignored. Of course, when I set my region to Israel, the Palestine flag is still available. Likewise for Serbia and Kosovo.

Israel does not deny existence of Palestine state, they disagree about borders. It’s completely different from between PRC: PRC claims they are the only true China, and Taiwan should be a part of it.

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Post by dlcmh »

taobility wrote: post #508
vkou wrote: post #440

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It took until 1979 for the United States to recognize that China was, in fact, governed from Beijing, not Taipei. (Beijing won the civil war in 1950.) Today, in 2019, Taiwan still does not recognize China. Recognition is a chip in the game of geopolitics.

You made few mistakes: 1. Beijing won the civil war at 1949. 2. UN has recognized PRC at 1971 and abandoned Taiwan or ROC. And till now, only very limited countries in the world (17) recognized Taiwan as independent state

Down to 15 now, after Solomon Islands and Kiribati switched diplomatic ties in recent weeks https://amp.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3029626/ta...

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Post by IIAOPSW »

jlokier wrote: post #560
jdoliner wrote: post #502

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> That's playing a bit fast and loose with the facts there. ISIS conducted public executions, crucifixions, desecration of cultural sites and enslaved people for a labor force. That's textbook asymmetric warfare/terrorism. To me that just sounds like textbook nationhood. The defining feature of the state is having the monopoly on violence within its borders.

I think the question of treating ISIS territory as an independent state, with all the international law that would imply about respecting its independence and autonomy, treating it as a peer at the UN, etc., is a textbook case of why (international-legal) legitimacy is a status not granted automatically in the basis of territory and control alone, and should not be. The things ISIS members did to subpopulations peopl…

>as an independent state, with all the international law that would imply about respecting its independence and autonomy.

The UN absolutely has provisions in its charter for approved wars. The Korean war was UN approved. A regime that is violent against civilians and outwardly genocidal towards religious minorities like ISIS is exactly the situation UN approved intervention was made for (designed with the Nazi's in mind).

I reject the premise that calling them a state would entail granting them anything.

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